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Alex M
Wed Jan 18 2012, 03:49PM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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m4ge123 wrote ...

Your zvs can take up to 50 volts and might be able to take 16 amps with good heatsinking.

What usually fails first when you go above 50v?
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Thomas W
Wed Jan 18 2012, 04:11PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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My zeners were perfectly fine... 1W 12v,
you just mishandled it,
i offered to box it in a project box and you said no
so you cant complain about it being Flimsy...
You were fine with it when you saw the pictures too ¬_¬
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Mads Barnkob
Wed Jan 18 2012, 04:22PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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Platinum and Tom, take that issue to private messages. Consider yourself warned.
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Platinum
Thu Jan 19 2012, 03:51PM
Platinum Registered Member #3926 Joined: Fri Jun 03 2011, 08:32PM
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I apologize to you Mads, and Tom, The circuit you built me was perfect. I was whining sorry. And sorry for my behaviour Mads.


Anyway I will not be modding a MOT to make a PSU, now.

My father gave me a 13.8v 5A PSU (CB radio looking PSU) and anyway At 13.8 x 5 = 70~watts I though that was no better than the PSU I have now (65w) so I opened the case, There was a big mains power transformer, a circuit with a 2N3055 a LM317 with a pot to adjust out voltage, so I bypassed all of that circuitry, got the secondary output of the transformer, rectified it, smoothed it with a 50v 2200uF cap (is there any reason to add more smoothing caps?) and I'm not sure what the voltage is, my voltmeter measures 71volts, and a bit of ripple, but my voltmeter measures a 2.6volts on a 1.5v battery, also not sure about current, but combined, I estimate it is about 7a at 50~volts, the arc makes a very loud 50hz hum, due to bad smoothing caps.

I also had a very bad shock off the flyback, because the chicken stick I used was a screwdriver, and because the voltage has gone so high, it jump the gap of about 3" and went through my left arm to right arm to ground.


The ZVS, the diodes get very warm, the MOSFET's no heat, the capacitor in the ZVS, is very very hot, I must add more to get better output too. Will I have to change the diodes?
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Thomas W
Thu Jan 19 2012, 04:08PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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Platinum wrote ...


I also had a very bad shock off the flyback, because the chicken stick I used was a screwdriver, and because the voltage has gone so high, it jump the gap of about 3" and went through my left arm to right arm to ground.

BE CAREFUL!
if you had more current going in
you could have died...
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Inducktion
Thu Jan 19 2012, 04:54PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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You need to be extremely careful when working with voltages and currents this high.

Get an actual chicken stick. A screwdriver is okay to use when you're fiddling around with lower powered stuff, but for a ZVS driver I usually try to use a longer stick, something like a dowel or a PVC pipe.

And, when it arcs, the hum is due to the lowish filter capacitance. If you add more capacitance, the hum will become less noticeable.

Also, regarding the capacitor; If you change it out, or add more, yes the capacitors will get less warm. You're basically spreading the heat out over more capacitors so it's better than just one of them handling all of the work. Plus it's radio frequency so it's even harder on them...

Just watch your resonant frequency. If you add more caps, your frequency will drop.
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m4ge123
Thu Jan 19 2012, 06:31PM
m4ge123 Registered Member #4118 Joined: Mon Oct 03 2011, 04:50PM
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Alex, in a ZVS driver the voltage across the mosfets reaches pi*Vin. Since his fets are 200v he could go up a little more but it's best to be safe and keep your voltage Vbreakdown/3.5 or 4.
Platinum, make a chicken stick from at least half a meter of pvc and use it any time you're handling a HV supply capable of 10ma+.
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Platinum
Thu Jan 19 2012, 06:32PM
Platinum Registered Member #3926 Joined: Fri Jun 03 2011, 08:32PM
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Thanks, The arc ignites at around 1.7" and can stretch to 4" nearly, and the arc is fiery, I'd love to measure the current of the flyback, and also the real voltage and current of the PSU.

Will the PSU benefit if I add more smoothing caps?

I will now be making a induction heater.

Here are 3 pictures

Link2,pHmOF,RGPjO#0

The arc can go longer than that in the pic.
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