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Inducktion
Tue Dec 27 2011, 03:20AM Print
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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I know that Silicon transistors (and now a newer candidate, Silicon Carbide) have more... capability in the power department, but is there really anything that still uses germanium transistors/diodes asides from crystal radio sets? Germanium stuff tends to have a lower voltage drop... so it makes more sense to use them over silicon...





Also, a random though; What would a MOSFET would be like using Germanium dioxide instead of silicon dioxide, or what an IGBT would be like using germanium instead of silicon...
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Tetris
Tue Dec 27 2011, 04:37AM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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I don't know semiconductors so... but all I know is that germanium diodes can be used to make crystal radios.
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Alex M
Tue Dec 27 2011, 05:47AM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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Maybe it is an economics thing?
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Steve Conner
Tue Dec 27 2011, 06:03AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Germanium transistors were awful by modern standards. They were slow, leaky, and had a limited operating temperature: 80c as opposed to 150 for silicon. They also had to have sealed metal packages because germanium oxide is water soluble, so they can't be passivated and moulded into a lump of plastic like silicon chips normally are.

Also it's been a long time since semiconductor physics, but I think there's something about the crystal structure of germanium that means it's impossible to make a FET.

Germanium power transistors had a niche in low voltage, high current motor controllers for golf carts and the like, but when vertical MOSFETs came along their lunch was well and truly eaten.

The main use for them now is Fuzz Face guitar pedals.
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Dr. Slack
Tue Dec 27 2011, 03:39PM
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Of course the cool way to use germanium now is to alloy it with silicon, to make silicon-germanium, or SiGe transistors. Several factors faster than straight silicon, and can can be processed in regular silicon foundries, just the way that GaAs or any of the other exotics can't.
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jnbrex
Sun Jan 01 2012, 01:33AM
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I know that Georgia Tech has a germanium processor that operates at 500 GHz.
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Mattski
Mon Jan 02 2012, 01:52AM
Mattski Registered Member #1792 Joined: Fri Oct 31 2008, 08:12PM
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jnbrex wrote ...

I know that Georgia Tech has a germanium processor that operates at 500 GHz.
The press releases sure talked it up, but based on the actual research paper I think they only tested single transistors, and they only got to 500GHz f_t (small-signal unity current gain frequency, not directly related to digital performance) with cryogenic cooling. But that's a long way from making a processor at that frequency, Intel 32nm has a peak f_t above 400GHz but you don't see intel making 400GHz chips wink
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