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Registered Member #3637
Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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I'm severely worried about SOPA and NDAA. And I really don't want to see people break down to talking about the twin towers and conspiracy theories. I want your honest and true opinions about these two bills...
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Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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I don't think the indefinate detention of American citizens without due process is a "little thing'. It basically means your constitution is now null and void. Next you'll have drones policing your skies....oops, that has already happened.
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I for one welcome the new age of aristocracy. Debtors prisons are back in 6 states thanks to banks using legal loopholes. ;-P
American philosophy checkup:
1. First Amendment - Your words can be seized without proof under ambiguous copyright claims, and the burden of proof falls on the accused (DMCA). 2. Second Amendment - What good is a gun if you can be held indefinitely under the pretense that you may be a perceived threat at some future time. Anyone who owns a gun could potentially be a threat to themselves if they don't know how to do maintenance. 3. Third Amendment - Former Blackwater corporate militia will still be in Iraq for a long time, and you can be sure the CIA will keep an eye on their handy work 4. Fourth Amendment - USA PATRIOT Act provides a legal loop hole to invade peoples lives with zero accountability 5. Fifth Amendment - due process cannot truly exist while the Fourth Amendment is not active 6. Sixth Amendment - Guantanamo Bay. 7. Seventh Amendment - Guantanamo Bay again since it cost more the $20 to process the inmates... but the new proposed law hasn't gone far enough to be vetoed yet. 8. Eighth Amendment - Water-boarding isn't torture... according to psychopaths. 9. Ninth Amendment - The protesters have clearly demonstrated the punitive edge of a philosophy of zero accountability for authority figures. The old village stocks have been replaced by pepper spray, stun guns, plastic restraints, and baton beatings of war vets. 10. Tenth Amendment - The bailout of Wallstreet that generated 14 billion in profits for banks. Since they were receiving $1 for $0.97 borrowed it made sense for banks to double dip into recession while the programs were active. Yet no one seems to clearly state Federal government powers were never meant to extend into regional issues.
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Basically what it all boils down to is this: You cannot run the world from any kind of political platform even remotely resembling a "constitutional republic". You wanna run the whole world? You gotta have a domestic police state.
Thus the infamous PNAC papers were in essence a manifesto for the overthrow of the U.S. government. And 9/11 and the subsequent "war on terror" were the vehicles used to repudiate the constitution and the rule of law in general.
As a practical matter, "our" "government" seems to be preparing for the day when Joe and Jill Sixpack will finally wake up and no longer accept that their country, their "rights", their assets, and even their lives, will need to be sacrificed on the altar of a Zionist delusion of grandeur.
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Joined: Thu Jan 26 2006, 12:18AM
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Am I concerned about SOPA and the NDAA? Absolutely. These are terrible laws that need to be defeated. The problem is, they're just the latest link in a long chain.
It's only a matter of time until SOPA passes, IMO, or a similarly restrictive law. Heck, there have been dozens of similar bills in the last decade alone, ranging from "terrible" to "is the person who sponsored this bill criminally insane?" I wouldn't be surprised to see Protect-IP sail on through after a defeat of SOPA as a "less harsh" alternative. At this point, I don't believe that anything short of a constitutional amendment has a chance of protecting the Internet. Even then, maybe not, since we don't seem to be doing a good job of following the ones we have.
Carbon_Rod wrote ...
I for one welcome the new age of aristocracy. Debtors prisons are back in 6 states thanks to banks using legal loopholes. ;-P
American philosophy checkup:
1. First Amendment - Your words can be seized without proof under ambiguous copyright claims, and the burden of proof falls on the accused (DMCA). 2. Second Amendment - What good is a gun if you can be held indefinitely under the pretense that you may be a perceived threat at some future time. Anyone who owns a gun could potentially be a threat to themselves if they don't know how to do maintenance. 3. Third Amendment - Former Blackwater corporate militia will still be in Iraq for a long time, and you can be sure the CIA will keep an eye on their handy work 4. Fourth Amendment - USA PATRIOT Act provides a legal loop hole to invade peoples lives with zero accountability 5. Fifth Amendment - due process cannot truly exist while the Fourth Amendment is not active 6. Sixth Amendment - Guantanamo Bay. 7. Seventh Amendment - Guantanamo Bay again since it cost more the $20 to process the inmates... but the new proposed law hasn't gone far enough to be vetoed yet. 8. Eighth Amendment - Water-boarding isn't torture... according to psychopaths. 9. Ninth Amendment - The protesters have clearly demonstrated the punitive edge of a philosophy of zero accountability for authority figures. The old village stocks have been replaced by pepper spray, stun guns, plastic restraints, and baton beatings of war vets. 10. Tenth Amendment - The bailout of Wallstreet that generated 14 billion in profits for banks. Since they were receiving $1 for $0.97 borrowed it made sense for banks to double dip into recession while the programs were active. Yet no one seems to clearly state Federal government powers were never meant to extend into regional issues.
So much truth here. I can only add a handful of points:
1. Also, free speech is pretty meaningless when it can be confined to an arbitrary zone under murky circumstances.
2. This is being actively undermined by government agencies. The ATF, for example, pressured gun store owners to make questionable sales, and then tried to turn around and argue for newer, tighter gun control laws. See the whole Fast and Furious debacle for more.
4. Warrantless wiretaps, asset forfeiture, and as of this May, warrants are no longer required if police hear the "sounds of evidence being destroyed." So something as simple as a toilet flushing grants the police entry to your home.
5. On its last legs. US citizens can already be deprived of life, liberty, or property outside US borders. Dead and buried once the NDAA passes.
8. No excessive bail? Tell it to Jeremy Marks, an 18 year old from a poor, black neighborhood who had a $50,000 bail imposed for filming a cop. He was left to rot in a county lockup for 8 months while the police repeatedly raided his family's home. A Google engineer eventually read about his story and bailed him out. All charges were dropped a few months later.
9. Completely forgotten. Even the rights that *are* enumerated are under assault. Try arguing that the Constitution also protects your right to bodily autonomy, or to die with dignity, or to build a deck with 35 inch high railings instead of 36 inches.
10. This one was a real humdinger until it was gutted by a ridiculous interpretation of the commerce clause. Now the federal government essentially has zero limitations in scope or size. There is no such thing as a matter that is too local or too small to be regulated by Washington.
What can you do about it?
And to think, NASA is baffled by how many people would be willing to volunteer for a one-way Mars mission.
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Joined: Sat Feb 16 2008, 03:22AM
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At the same time they're repealing the Constitution, they're doing this:
You have to wonder, at a time when resources are scarce, why would "Homeland Security" need to spend billions of dollars to militarize local cops, all over the U.S.? They're even sending local cops over to Israel for "training".
Is there a "legitimate" reason for all this, or are we really looking face to face at a systematic and very determined effort to turn the U.S. into something akin to the Gaza strip?
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