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Worlds most inefficient LED

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Bjørn
Thu Feb 09 2006, 10:54PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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would throwing some epoxy over it to exclude air make any difference?
Mine is covered in some substance that is easily scraped with a knife. It seems to be a plastic or resin of some sort.
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Fri Feb 10 2006, 12:08AM
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hmm, mine had nothing on the die, I just dremeled off the cap and there it was :) I can't say as to if air effects it, but I ran mine (it was a motorola branded one) for a little while at 1amp, and I didn't notice any problems. I can't test it now as I blew up the leads going to the die by hooking it up to 2 seriesed gel cells 8) I would say it had about 3 minutes of run time, consisting of 3x 1 minute runs limited by the case getting too hot from my poor heatsinking (it was clamped in a vice)...
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Wolfram
Fri Feb 10 2006, 10:45AM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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I just tried it with a 2N3055 and a 2N3771. The die of the 2N3771 was about 4 times the size of the 2N3055 die, so i required a bit more current. The 2N3771 sparked over and died at around 15V and 3A, the 3055 died silently, and I didn't watch the meters at the time I am at school now, so I didn't get any pictures.

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WaveRider
Fri Feb 10 2006, 11:48AM
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I seem to remember someting about carrier recombination in the base region of bipolar transistors as being the source of the light.. I'll have to dig out some of my old semiconductor physics texts...

BTW- In this article, they have utilised a hetrojunction bipolar transistor as a laser!

Cheers!
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Self Defenestrate
Fri Feb 10 2006, 02:44PM
Self Defenestrate Registered Member #87 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 01:36PM
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Tonight I'll try it with a heat sink and perhaps a tiny lens. Perhaps the smaller the die the more intense it gets, more current through a smaller path of conduction.
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Bjørn
Sat Feb 11 2006, 03:16AM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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I had a second look and the resin combined with overexposure made my first pictures look like it was glowing. The new picture shows that the light is almost white with a slight green/yellow cast. Using a IR blocking filter made no difference. A visible blocking filter showed almost no picture so nothing is glowing in the traditional sense.

1139627804 27 FT130 3055new
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Avalanche
Sat Feb 11 2006, 04:21PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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You can also use transistors/LEDs as the 'worlds worst phototransistors'. If I remember correctly, this was how video cameras were made possible - it was discovered that the resistance of a semiconductor changed when they 'closed the door' (according to a certain program).
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Bjørn
Sun Feb 12 2006, 02:49AM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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This is my best attempt at getting a spectrum. The bars are wide enough to run into each other so it needs some interpretation to decide if it is a continious spectrum or not. Taking the width of the bars into account I don't think it is full spectrum but I would not bet on it.

1139712573 27 FT130 Spectrum1
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sun Feb 12 2006, 07:58AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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I am totally awe-struck whenever I see something this small, and able to carry 115W. It's hard to appreciate.
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Dave47
Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:45PM
Dave47 Registered Member #84 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 01:06PM
Location: Dallas, TX
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I have used EMMI (emission microscope) at work to look for the same thing. It's much more sensitive, though. It's good for finding individual junctions breaking down on a large semiconductor device. Of course, it doesn't need near the power in the junction to see any light emitted!

David
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