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Platinum
Wed Dec 07 2011, 08:07PM
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Nothing wrong with the ZVS driver. Not hard to control or anthing.
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Alex M
Wed Dec 07 2011, 08:30PM
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Platinum wrote ...

Nothing wrong with the ZVS driver. Not hard to control or anthing.

But your last post was "I don't have a ZVS, I hope someone will make one for me, I have a thread. "

?
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Platinum
Wed Dec 07 2011, 10:31PM
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Alex1M6 wrote ...

Platinum wrote ...

Nothing wrong with the ZVS driver. Not hard to control or anthing.

But your last post was "I don't have a ZVS, I hope someone will make one for me, I have a thread. "

?

I've had one before that but one of the MOSFETs broke somehow.
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Daedronus
Wed Dec 07 2011, 11:25PM
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A zvs is not controllable. on,off, not much else. To control a resonant SMPS you have to control the input, so you actually have 2 SMPS.
A full bridge can be made to adjust the duty cycle on the fly to keep the current within reasonable limits.
This is more or less demonstrated in the first video, just before the end.

I have abused this bridge a lot with things like transformers going into saturation, glitched pulses because of EMF, heat etc.. and so far I haven't managed to kill a mosfet.

I got a monster 10kw variac that I'm going to use to gradually test this bridge up to off-line voltage....in a couple of weeks.

Right now the bridge was powered by a 250w trafo with the output at about 70V dc

Edit: The PWM IC is UC3843, not a SG

More edits: Alex, forget about what the PWM IC can output, use gate driver ICs or NPN+PNP buffers (totem poles). Don't drive big mosfets (or gate drive transformers) directly from PWM ICs no mater what they are, the all don't have the drive power to turn on-off a power mosfet fast enough.


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Platinum
Thu Dec 08 2011, 12:36AM
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I thought you meant the arc was uncontrollable, but your driver is extreme, well done!
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jpsmith123
Fri Dec 09 2011, 11:10PM
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In case anyone wants to duplicate the SG3525-based bridge circuit that Marko linked to, the pin designation that looks like a "3" at first glance, is actually pin "9", I believe.
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Marko
Fri Dec 09 2011, 11:29PM
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jpsmith123 wrote ...

In case anyone wants to duplicate the SG3525-based bridge circuit that Marko linked to, the pin designation that looks like a "3" at first glance, is actually pin "9", I believe.

Hm, looked at the schematic again, and I don't see anything that looks like 3 .. so the pin with 10nf cap and 10k resistor on it is indeed the pin 9 :)

Marko
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Alex M
Fri Dec 09 2011, 11:36PM
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Daedronus wrote ...

A zvs is not controllable. on,off, not much else. To control a resonant SMPS you have to control the input, so you actually have 2 SMPS.
A full bridge can be made to adjust the duty cycle on the fly to keep the current within reasonable limits.
This is more or less demonstrated in the first video, just before the end.

I have abused this bridge a lot with things like transformers going into saturation, glitched pulses because of EMF, heat etc.. and so far I haven't managed to kill a mosfet.

I got a monster 10kw variac that I'm going to use to gradually test this bridge up to off-line voltage....in a couple of weeks.

Right now the bridge was powered by a 250w trafo with the output at about 70V dc

Edit: The PWM IC is UC3843, not a SG

More edits: Alex, forget about what the PWM IC can output, use gate driver ICs or NPN+PNP buffers (totem poles). Don't drive big mosfets (or gate drive transformers) directly from PWM ICs no mater what they are, the all don't have the drive power to turn on-off a power mosfet fast enough.




Hmm I was going to make a start on this circuit Link2 over the week-end so I will keep the idea of using a totem pole and gate drive IC in mind if things start to heat up too much (ie the MOSFET's).

Are there any particular gate drive IC's that you recommend? and are the 2n3094 and 2n3096 complementary NPN and PNP pair good for this sort of thing?

Thanks.
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Patrick
Sat Dec 10 2011, 12:19AM
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Alex1M6 wrote ...


Are there any particular gate drive IC's that you recommend? and are the 2n3094 and 2n3096 complementary NPN and PNP pair good for this sort of thing?

Thanks.


I like the FAN7382 dual gate driver. (because with one part i can drive lo-lo or lo-hi pairs on different boards.)

(I disagree with the previous oppinions on the PWM chips not driving mosfets. its true i would not trust the 8038, 555, tl494, or similar tradional ones, but the more modern ones like the UC3526, and UC28023/UC28025 can easily drive pretty hefty gates with no problems. And this is true of other makers, not just TI.)

EDIT: the UC3843, based on SGS, TI and fairchild datasheets does look pretty weak on tranistor drive, so for this IC id use a gate driver or IC.

EDIT: the SG3525 also looks a wee bit weak in current for gate drive.
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jpsmith123
Sat Dec 10 2011, 12:43AM
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Unmagnified, it looks like a sloppy "3". Since pin 3 is not shown as it is not used, and since many here are not familiar with that IC, I thought it best to clarify it before someone builds it that way.

Dr. Pork wrote ...

jpsmith123 wrote ...

In case anyone wants to duplicate the SG3525-based bridge circuit that Marko linked to, the pin designation that looks like a "3" at first glance, is actually pin "9", I believe.

Hm, looked at the schematic again, and I don't see anything that looks like 3 .. so the pin with 10nf cap and 10k resistor on it is indeed the pin 9 :)

Marko
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