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Platinum
Mon Nov 21 2011, 11:47PM Print
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Nearly all of us here have seen high voltage plasma in a vacuum like the CRT, but I want to know what would plasma behave like if it was in a high pressure state? Sorry I don't know about these things.
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dude_500
Tue Nov 22 2011, 12:23AM
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The most basic answer is it would behave like fire, since fire is a plasma (although I think that is arguable by definition).

Additionally, the light from a CRT is not actually a plasma, it is phosphors being hit by an electron beam.
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Electra
Tue Nov 22 2011, 01:21AM
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Thought that’s what an arc is? Someone correct me if that’s wrong. The higher the pressure the harder it is to strike, more voltage to break down a given distance.
Obviously you need some sort of containment vessel, and an energy source, either directly between two electrodes, or via RF or microwaves to sustain it.
I suppose the logical assumption it would be brighter hotter, or perhaps being more dense would look that way even it weren’t actually all that much hotter at the centre.
Surely someone must have a more scientific explanation.
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Ash Small
Tue Nov 22 2011, 08:48AM
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Electra wrote ...

Thought that’s what an arc is? Someone correct me if that’s wrong. The higher the pressure the harder it is to strike, more voltage to break down a given distance.


There is an optimum pressure, above and below which it is more difficult to strike a plasma.

This is related to Paschen's law:

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Steve Conner
Tue Nov 22 2011, 09:28AM
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An ordinary spark is plasma in a high pressure state. Atmospheric pressure is high by the standards of plasma physics.

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Platinum
Tue Nov 22 2011, 02:42PM
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Ahh in a vacuum plasma can arcs longer? or is that just with an inert gas?
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Steve Conner
Tue Nov 22 2011, 02:52PM
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Plasma is gas molecules in an excited state. You can't have it in a vacuum, because there's nothing there to get excited.

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Platinum
Tue Nov 22 2011, 04:25PM
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Ohh yeah. Damn I'm stupid, well what are CRT's filled with then? I thought they are in a vacuum?
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Steve Conner
Tue Nov 22 2011, 05:38PM
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Yes, and they don't have any plasma in them. You're getting confused with plasma TVs, which do have plasma in them, but they're not CRTs.
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radiotech
Tue Nov 22 2011, 06:05PM
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Some CRTs were gas filled.
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