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Mads Barnkob
Wed Nov 02 2011, 08:54PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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radiotech wrote ...

The method of shorting 240 volts without tripping the breaker is to draw a
current which has been limited to some value (i.e 20 amps) that you wish to
use as a test to determine the voltage drop at the outlet at that load. There are
hand-held instruments that do that easily, and log the data.

Their use is in inspection of circuits to see if they meet code.

The trick here is the current reading is taken fast enough to fall between
the peak value that the breaker & system can furnish without tripping
the breaker. Here is a small one for 120 volts. Link2

It is not recommended you do this unless the consequences are within
your control.

I was once told that acceptance tests of alternators involved crowbarring them.

I have participated in a few test on large alternators / generators, for testing purposes of new installations, we used a container the size of a 20 foot container, filled with salt water and 3 huge, huge electrodes could be sunk in / up from a motorized rig.
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Platinum
Wed Nov 02 2011, 09:27PM
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Well all I wanted to do was put 240v through a motherboard for fun.
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Dr. ISOTOP
Wed Nov 02 2011, 09:30PM
Dr. ISOTOP Registered Member #2919 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 06:30PM
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If you want to cook things with mains, I'd suggest using a variac to slowing ramp the voltage up while watching the current.
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Platinum
Wed Nov 02 2011, 09:38PM
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I know that'd work but I do not have one :(
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Tetris
Wed Nov 02 2011, 09:54PM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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take the fuse out of your breaker and replace it with a larger one.
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Platinum
Wed Nov 02 2011, 10:27PM
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Can't I just use a plug with a 13A fuse and ballast it?
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IamSmooth
Wed Nov 02 2011, 11:07PM
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The questions being asked suggest that you will still attemp something that will either cause a fire or main/hurt/kill you.

However, if you are still intent on this the suggestion above about using a variac is a good one. Go to Ebay and buy one for $10-$20 fused for 10A. Connect it to your 120V outlet and you can experiment with varying voltages and have it fused. You can also buy a MOT on Ebay and use it in series with the variac to limit the current going in. This way you can limit the current to, say, 5-8A (with the right ballast) and still have the fuse as a failsafe. Maybe someone here could make a recommendation as to what current limits you get with different transformers.

240v is dangerous and will almost definitely kill you if you make a mistake. Both lines are hot.
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Platinum
Wed Nov 02 2011, 11:16PM
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I don't want to do it now, it's to dangerous, and I'm not very experienced in mains.
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Patrick
Wed Nov 02 2011, 11:27PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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maybe you should start with an Iggy coil circuit, there are some things you can do that are fun yet much less likely to be fatal.
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Platinum
Wed Nov 02 2011, 11:31PM
Platinum Registered Member #3926 Joined: Fri Jun 03 2011, 08:32PM
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Ahh, I do not have one. I've been meaning to buy one, but I have been working on my monster flyback driver. That's was pretty fun.
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