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Interestingly it seems that the original idea for Rossi's nickel catalyst might have been the anomalous drop then rise in temperature seen during charging of some types of nickel-x rechargeables. (edit:- still no luck finding confirmed references in the literature so have removed figures as 3rd hand information)
I did read that some gamma radiation is produced at a certain stage of the reaction. If so then this makes me wonder if the observed power gain is actually a side effect of solar neutrinos interacting with the nickel nuclei and triggering an isomer decay with gamma release.
Best analogy, it is behaving like a neutrino solar panel and indirectly harnessing solar energy.
Sounds plausible?
If the "FTL neutrinos" results are confirmed then it implies new physics so potentially such an interaction might account for not only the Rossi E-Cat results but many other LENR phenomena.
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Starting at about 5:30 in the following linked video, Dr. George Miley gives a presentation describing his "LENR" results. Apparently he is also claiming to have achieved a useful power output although maybe not as much as Rossi.
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in Rossi's defense I would postulate that........ its possible that there was a problem with upscaling the production of the catalyst, making process for production of ubstances work on different scales is very problematic sometimes and leads to new unexpected challenges having to do with reaction kinetics and physical conditions. Also the idea that Nickel can generate excess heat in LANR experiments is real, having proved the production of excess energy using Nickel as the catalyst. Seems to me that it does appear to be fraud but proving that it works would be very difficult with out peer review, in this instance it seems that the inventor is trying 1 of 2 things, one would to be commit fraud in the form of a magic trick. The other would be to attempt to show that the reaction works while keeping the details of the reaction secret. This would be as hard to prove as LANR was if say the excess energy output was only say twice the input.
Time will tell I guess it looks possible still but not proven..........
What I find odd though is the lack of any experiments of published research, for high temperature LANR last time, I took the time to search in depth. Why have I never read even so much as seen whispered the idea of commencement of experimentation on catalytic alloys close to there melting points where, it is a widely known and studied fact that catalytically active metals have the greatest activity and absorption when heated very close to there melting points? WHY?????? Is this not the most obvious place to look?
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Well, I recently mentioned to someone at work about gold-indium alloys being potentially useful for electrolysis. The idea here is that at the nanoscale the surface has a huge catalytically active area which should act like an electrode a thousand times larger or more.
Come to think of it, graphene would seem to be the perfect electrode as it is non reactive and nearly impossible to break down. Graphene on glass with a copper or tin backing would work nicely methinks.
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What's going on with Rossi and his "Ecat" seems bizarre to me, and getting more bizarre as time passes.
On the one hand, I can't see how he could gain very much through fraud, as intricate and expensive as the fraud would appear to be, if it were fraud (supposedly Rossi has put a lot of his own money into this).
On the other hand, if it is all above-board, I really have to wonder why he's doing things the way he is, particularly with regard to demonstrating the unit. It seems to me there would be far better i.e., more persuasive, and more dramatic ways to prove excess power output than what he's doing, dubious calorimetry and all.
Although I've seen statements from people who claim to know him that it all reflects his eccentric personality, e.g., he doesn't care very much about details, he's not very much into careful instrumentation, he generally doesn't care what other people think, etc. So that may explain some of it.
Then there's the issue of his apparent patent difficulties and trying to protecting something that, if it's real, is not understood, and therefore subject to piracy, legal challenges, etc.
Then there's the fact that other people - some of which would seem to have some credibility - have reported similar results from similar experiments although their results are apparently not as dramatic as Rossi's.
Lastly, Rossi has supposedly been in serious legal trouble before. I don't know details but supposedly something to do with some kind of energy technology.
Put it all together, and I'm baffled. I've given up trying to make sense out of it. I can't allow myself either to believe or to disbelieve it.
Ocean Waves wrote ...
in Rossi's defense I would postulate that........ its possible that there was a problem with upscaling the production of the catalyst, making process for production of ubstances work on different scales is very problematic sometimes and leads to new unexpected challenges having to do with reaction kinetics and physical conditions. Also the idea that Nickel can generate excess heat in LANR experiments is real, having proved the production of excess energy using Nickel as the catalyst. Seems to me that it does appear to be fraud but proving that it works would be very difficult with out peer review, in this instance it seems that the inventor is trying 1 of 2 things, one would to be commit fraud in the form of a magic trick. The other would be to attempt to show that the reaction works while keeping the details of the reaction secret. This would be as hard to prove as LANR was if say the excess energy output was only say twice the input.
Time will tell I guess it looks possible still but not proven..........
What I find odd though is the lack of any experiments of published research, for high temperature LANR last time, I took the time to search in depth. Why have I never read even so much as seen whispered the idea of commencement of experimentation on catalytic alloys close to there melting points where, it is a widely known and studied fact that catalytically active metals have the greatest activity and absorption when heated very close to there melting points? WHY?????? Is this not the most obvious place to look?
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