Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 13
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
One birthday today, congrats!
MicroTesla (34)


Next birthdays
07/09 Avi (41)
07/09 Jannick Hagen (15)
07/10 Sparcz (69)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: High Voltage
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Slightly dissimilar NSTs - Parallel??

Move Thread LAN_403
GrantX
Thu Oct 20 2011, 08:11AM Print
GrantX Registered Member #4074 Joined: Mon Aug 29 2011, 06:58AM
Location: Australia
Posts: 335
I just got given an NST by a nice signmaker today, and it's very close in specs to my big NST, so I'm wondering if they can be paralleled?

One is 7.5-0-7.5 kV and the other is 6-0-6 kV. Both are 60mA.

What's going to happen with the 1.5 kV difference on each output? Will this cause any destructive currents in either transformer?

I'm hoping it'll just give me 12 kV 120mA across the outputs, but I'm worried that bad things will happen....

Either way, I still can't believe he gave it to me for free :D
Back to top
Thomas W
Thu Oct 20 2011, 01:14PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
Location:
Posts: 1276
What you want is not parrallel your thinking of series parrallel only ups the current your trying to up both the current and the voltage
Back to top
Marko
Thu Oct 20 2011, 01:37PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
Location: Zadar, Croatia
Posts: 3145
The proper way would be to use a buck transformer on primary of your first NST. If your line is 240V then you'd need a 48V buck transformer, with current equal ti input current of your nst.

You could also just use a variac for start.

Marko
Back to top
GrantX
Fri Oct 21 2011, 08:46AM
GrantX Registered Member #4074 Joined: Mon Aug 29 2011, 06:58AM
Location: Australia
Posts: 335
Tom Williamson wrote ...

What you want is not parrallel your thinking of series parrallel only ups the current your trying to up both the current and the voltage

The NST's provide 12kV and 15kV across their outputs respectively, and both are 60 mA. I'm looking for 120 mA at 12-15 kV. So I want parallel, since I want more current without any change in voltage.

@ Marko: A buck transformer sounds like the best idea. That will bring the big NST down to 12 kV, correct?

I only have a 500VA variac, but I changed the fuse to a 5A one, so technically it can run one NST, but I don't want to overload it.
Back to top
M.A.D.
Sat Oct 22 2011, 08:05AM
M.A.D. Registered Member #4052 Joined: Thu Aug 11 2011, 04:43AM
Location: IN ,USA
Posts: 69
If you put them in parallel you would get 12KV at 120mA. However the lower voltage one would suffer. I read somewhere that even though you would only get 12KV the insulation on both transformers still has to deal with 15KV, because the difference in voltage is shorted into the lower voltage transformer.

I think that lowering the input voltage on the 15KV transformer probably is your best option. If you are worried about you variac you could probably just make your own step down transformer out of a MOT or something similar.
Back to top
buxtronix
Sat Oct 22 2011, 08:37AM
buxtronix Registered Member #4078 Joined: Tue Aug 30 2011, 12:53PM
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 19
I think it depends on how you're using them. Remember that an NST's output voltage will drop a fair bit under load, so if you are using them in a way that loads them from the start, you can probably get away with it.

I have a pair in parallel that arent exactly matched (My HV probe shows a KV or so difference), but they dont have a problem at all in parallel. The extra stresses induced are no more than 10% either side of their ratings, which should be survivable.
Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.