If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.
Special Thanks To:
Aaron Holmes
Aaron Wheeler
Adam Horden
Alan Scrimgeour
Andre
Andrew Haynes
Anonymous000
asabase
Austin Weil
barney
Barry
Bert Hickman
Bill Kukowski
Blitzorn
Brandon Paradelas
Bruce Bowling
BubeeMike
Byong Park
Cesiumsponge
Chris F.
Chris Hooper
Corey Worthington
Derek Woodroffe
Dalus
Dan Strother
Daniel Davis
Daniel Uhrenholt
datasheetarchive
Dave Billington
Dave Marshall
David F.
Dennis Rogers
drelectrix
Dr. John Gudenas
Dr. Spark
E.TexasTesla
eastvoltresearch
Eirik Taylor
Erik Dyakov
Erlend^SE
Finn Hammer
Firebug24k
GalliumMan
Gary Peterson
George Slade
GhostNull
Gordon Mcknight
Graham Armitage
Grant
GreySoul
Henry H
IamSmooth
In memory of Leo Powning
Jacob Cash
James Howells
James Pawson
Jeff Greenfield
Jeff Thomas
Jesse Frost
Jim Mitchell
jlr134
Joe Mastroianni
John Forcina
John Oberg
John Willcutt
Jon Newcomb
klugesmith
Leslie Wright
Lutz Hoffman
Mads Barnkob
Martin King
Mats Karlsson
Matt Gibson
Matthew Guidry
mbd
Michael D'Angelo
Mikkel
mileswaldron
mister_rf
Neil Foster
Nick de Smith
Nick Soroka
nicklenorp
Nik
Norman Stanley
Patrick Coleman
Paul Brodie
Paul Jordan
Paul Montgomery
Ped
Peter Krogen
Peter Terren
PhilGood
Richard Feldman
Robert Bush
Royce Bailey
Scott Fusare
Scott Newman
smiffy
Stella
Steven Busic
Steve Conner
Steve Jones
Steve Ward
Sulaiman
Thomas Coyle
Thomas A. Wallace
Thomas W
Timo
Torch
Ulf Jonsson
vasil
Vaxian
vladi mazzilli
wastehl
Weston
William Kim
William N.
William Stehl
Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Registered Member #3451
Joined: Sun Nov 28 2010, 11:13PM
Location: United States
Posts: 100
I want to wind a simple transformer that will provide about 400 volts from a 12 volt battery.
Some questions: As far as driving it, will a spark gap - capacitor setup work? I don't think so, because there isn't enough voltage across the primary. If not, what kinds of semiconductor components are suitable substitutes?
Also, what kind of core should I have? I know that ferrite works best for higher frequencies and iron for lower, but it all depends on how I power it.
Registered Member #1792
Joined: Fri Oct 31 2008, 08:12PM
Location: University of California
Posts: 527
How much power/current do you want at the output? Do you want a DC output?
You are correct that a spark gap will not be a good choice at 12V. MOSFET is probably the best choice in this voltage range. The choice of topology depends on how much power you want to get out of the converter, for low power applications (less than 100-200W or so) flyback and forward converter topologies are the most common.
You probably want a ferrite or iron powder core. Flyback topologies call for either a gapped ferrite or iron powder. Other transformer switching topologies generally you want ferrite. Iron would have a lot of loss unless you used a very low switching frequency, and that would mean you have a larger core and higher ripple.
Registered Member #3451
Joined: Sun Nov 28 2010, 11:13PM
Location: United States
Posts: 100
wrote ...
How much power/current do you want at the output? Do you want a DC output?
Since I am using the output to charge a few capacitors, it must be DC. As for power, I don't think I will need anything more than ~100 watts.
wrote ...
You are correct that a spark gap will not be a good choice at 12V. MOSFET is probably the best choice in this voltage range. The choice of topology depends on how much power you want to get out of the converter, for low power applications (less than 100-200W or so) flyback and forward converter topologies are the most common.
What are some examples of flyback converters? Is this considered one?
wrote ...
You probably want a ferrite or iron powder core. Flyback topologies call for either a gapped ferrite or iron powder. Other transformer switching topologies generally you want ferrite. Iron would have a lot of loss unless you used a very low switching frequency, and that would mean you have a larger core and higher ripple.
How well would it work if I just used a ferrite rod?
Registered Member #1792
Joined: Fri Oct 31 2008, 08:12PM
Location: University of California
Posts: 527
wrote ... What are some examples of flyback converters? Is this considered one?
That's the basic idea, what distinguishes the flyback topology from other topologies is the arrangement of the transformer winding polarities and the direction of the output rectifier, which you can see here:
Many capacitor changing power supplies are desgined to output a constant current as it is the charging current which determines how much the capacitor heats up due to ESR. If you run an "open-loop" converter as in your link with a 555 that has no way to measure the output and adjust duty cycle then it will be running in constant power mode, at least initially, which results in higher charging currents which will increase heating though it could be okay still as long as the peak current is not too high.
A ferrite rod I don't think would make a good transformer, they radiate a lot of magnetic fields causing more interference, and the equivalent permeability is probably pretty small.
Registered Member #72
Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
Location: UK St. Albans
Posts: 1659
Mattski wrote ...
That's the basic idea, what distinguishes the flyback topology from other topologies is the arrangement of the transformer winding polarities and the direction of the output rectifier, which you can see here:
Er, no.
The polarities are merely incidental. The thing that *really* distinguishes the flyback from other transformer topologies is that a flyback uses a low permeability core in which it stores magnetic energy, and it uses the load voltage to determine how fast the current falls, giving it a high impedance output. A more conventional transformer uses a high permeability core, where any energy storage is incidental, where the winding voltage is basically determined by the input voltage, giving it a low impedance output.
In the flyback, the power transfer is limited to the storage energy * cycles per second. This makes the flyback an ideal topolgy for capacitor charging, it deals with the low impedance load automatically, and adjusts its output voltage automatically as the capacitor charges.
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.