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radiotech
Mon Oct 03 2011, 03:38PM
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You want to get one with no rotor skewed or salient bars. Here's one of them.








1317656275 2463 FT125431 Rotor
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Luceš
Mon Oct 03 2011, 06:59PM
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I think I have one that I was planning to scrap, Ill see if I can use the core.
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Nik
Mon Oct 03 2011, 09:26PM
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I've always had it in my head that you could make a slightly more mechanical variac by winding a transformer with several secondaries of different sizes (1 turn, 2 turns, 4 turns 8 turns). Using some relays you could set an number of voltages buy seriesing several of them together. If you can get your transformer to have 1V per turn even better. The coil might look like a mess but there isn't any reason you couldn't do it. I might make the low turn coils have a little heavier gauge wire.
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AleSeg
Tue Oct 04 2011, 12:10AM
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A toroidal variac is a clasical design.
You can do a linear variac, doing a transformer with long legs and winding it with only one layer of enamel wire.

best regards
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klugesmith
Tue Oct 04 2011, 01:37AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Nik wrote ...

I've always had it in my head that you could make a slightly more mechanical variac by winding a transformer with several secondaries of different sizes (1 turn, 2 turns, 4 turns 8 turns). Using some relays you could set an number of voltages buy seriesing several of them together. If you can get your transformer to have 1V per turn even better. The coil might look like a mess but there isn't any reason you couldn't do it. I might make the low turn coils have a little heavier gauge wire.

I like that, Nik.
You can switch voltages in known steps, without having to rotate the shaft.
(I think that's what Slo-Syn motors were invented for).

But it's no longer an autotransformer. The binary-weighted voltage windings need to be isolated.
You can get integer volts from 1 to 127 with 7 windings: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, and 64 volts.

I've thought about doing the same thing with ternary-weighted voltage windings.
You can get integer volts from 1 to 121 with 5 windings: 1, 3, 9, 27, 81 volts
if each can be switched 3 ways: bypass, series boosting, or series bucking.
Though I think that needs twice as many SPDT switches per stage.
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Luceš
Tue Oct 04 2011, 02:50AM
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I know I have a 24kva EI core I have been meaning to put a use to, that will make the perfect linear variac cheesey

but I kinda had my heart set on making a pig out of that core, Dang so many decisions rolleyes
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Ash Small
Tue Oct 04 2011, 10:38AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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If your brush is spring loaded (ie, use the brush carrier that you get the brush from) it gives more leeway as far as mechanical construction goes.

A transformer with multiple secondaries is also a good idea, as would be several small transformers on separate cores, with the option to switch them in and out in series or parallel.

Several MOT's with re-wound secondaries, or similar, could be used, you could even have one with separate, single turn, windings, for example, to give integer volt output, or whatever. (I'd probably go for increments of ~5V or so)
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Nik
Wed Oct 05 2011, 08:36PM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
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If there were a way to softly transition from one voltage to another with my "switching supply" ;) I would have tried it before now. Ramping it up would occur in very defined steps and would not be as smooth as a real variac.
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radiotech
Thu Oct 06 2011, 02:42AM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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Variacs are smooth because they burn their way with a carbon arc from step to step.
Its called commutation. It is witchcraft and always has been.
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Patrick
Thu Oct 06 2011, 06:41AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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radiotech wrote ...

Commutation .... It is witchcraft and always has been.
I totally agree.


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