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LD LANGER
Fri Sept 30 2011, 03:28PM Print
LD LANGER Registered Member #3824 Joined: Sun Apr 10 2011, 08:29PM
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Hello, has anyone tried making capacitors with neoprene as the dielectric? I have a bunch of bituthene rubber laying around and I think it will be easier to use than poly drop sheet dielectric.

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Matt Edwards
Fri Sept 30 2011, 08:41PM
Matt Edwards Registered Member #2838 Joined: Fri Apr 30 2010, 07:55PM
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There is a chart on this site that lists some good info on rubber, neoprene.. Link2
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jpsmith123
Fri Sept 30 2011, 09:51PM
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The first thing to do is to check the relevant dielectric properties. IIRC, neoprene is extremely lossy (is neoprene the same thing as bituthene?). I believe it's so lossy that it would be completely useless for most applications.

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Patrick
Fri Sept 30 2011, 10:06PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Does your neoprene have micro bubbles, like some that are foam plastic type. that kind with voids wont be good, the e-field is minimized in the plastic, and maximized in the air voids. cuasing breakdown.
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klugesmith
Fri Sept 30 2011, 11:41PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Are you talking about bituthene (R), the roof-sealing membrane?
With a core layer of material intermediate between rubber and asphalt, that gets your hands black when you handle it? I would guess that would also have intermediate dielectric properties.
Neoprene, and other tabulated rubbers hard enough to have durometer ratings,
are not necessarily representative of bituthene.
Are the rubbers black because of carbon-black pigment?

Give it a try.
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Conundrum
Sat Oct 01 2011, 10:25AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Yes, normally black rubber is somewhat conductive.

That said, it may not be a problem if thick enough, as long as it is consistent.

Maybe use a thick layer of black rubber and a thin layer of polythene etc as a dielectric barrier?

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