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How to get straight "sword like" sparks from a tube coil?

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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Sept 17 2011, 09:08PM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hi,
so my VTTC is working all right now, but the sparks don't look how I thought they'll look. They are branchy and fire in almost random directions, just the ends are straight. How do I get the super straight sparks like on Steve Ward's 833A coil? Link2

A video of my coil can be seen here:





I use a triac power controller but I turn it up full power at times.

Coil data:
Power supply: doubled MOT with 2 MO caps in parallel
Primary coil: 40 turns (tapped at turn 39) of 2.5mm O.D. PVC insulated wire, 110mm form, tank capacitor 1000pf
Grid coil is under primary coil and has 25 turns of 0.6mm enameled wire
Secondary coil: ~840 turns of 0.3mm enameled wire, form diameter 63mm, winding length 252mm, form length 272mm
Resonant frequency of unloaded secondary coil with a topload is ~600 kHz, BUT the primary tank oscillates at 370 kHz.

Thanks for your tips smile
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RogerInOhio
Sun Sept 18 2011, 10:56AM
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I'm not sure about this but I think the picture of Steve Ward's 833a coil you posted a link to is a time exposure of his coil running in staccato mode. When running in "continuous mode" the sparks tend to build on each other.
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Dr. Drone
Thu Sept 22 2011, 11:21PM
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shades
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Sept 23 2011, 08:33AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I found out that most likely my tube starts oscillating just when the plate voltage reaches a certain level, so it runs in a kind of pulsed mode of operation and that may be causing the branchy sparks with straight ends.
I'll try adding some positive bias to the grid circuit to help it start up.
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Dr. Drone
Fri Sept 23 2011, 06:07PM
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Sept 23 2011, 07:31PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Yes I have a resistor with a wire twisted around it connected to the plate. I also have a 1uF 250V film cap on the filament.

Just tried adding some positive bias and that didn't help... Hmm, guess I'll have to live with it.
Here is a photo showing the weird sparks which are somewhat non-defined on the bottom but very straight at the ends...

PS. Using 1 MOT with 2uF in the doubler and 4 microwave diodes in 2x2 configuration. The rf bypass cap is around 0.03uF.
1316806278 152 FT124528 P384


I may add that the coil produces a loud buzzing sound at full power, not the soft hum I'm used to with half wave solid state coils.


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Tetris
Fri Sept 23 2011, 07:54PM
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can you touch the spark ?
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Dr. Drone
Fri Sept 23 2011, 11:14PM
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rolleyes
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Sept 24 2011, 07:43AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Dr. Spark, I tried a lower f0 secondary, at around 500 kHz. The primary circuit tuned to 300 kHz for optimum output power... And the problem with strange buzzing spark was the same.
I also tried removing one cap from the doubler but that didn't help either.

I observed the phenomenon where primary tunes much lower than secondary on other VTTCs I built, I guess it has something to do with the very high voltage per turn induced and high coupling, the optimum power transfer happens so far away from secondary resonant frequency. Maybe with reduced coupling I could go higher on the frequency, but that would mean the primary winding would be huge...
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RogerInOhio
Sat Sept 24 2011, 10:25AM
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Dr, Kilovolt, is that a big water cooled tube in the background of your video? I can't wait to see you put that thing to work.
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