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SSTC as a DRSSTC Limited Primary

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MRacerxdl
Wed Sept 07 2011, 05:02PM Print
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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I was thiking about something to increase SSTC's power without making it a DRSSTC.

Is there anyway to put a series inductor without changing the LC Ressoant Frequency?

I thinked about an LC Tuned Primary at an SSTC, but with a series inductor (or capacitor) to limit the current with the reactance. The only two problems I think, I will waste much power on the "shunt" inductor/capacitor and the extra cap/ind will change the fres of the primary LC.

Is there anyway to do that? Or something else that I can adjust the current (without using an OCD)
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ScotchTapeLord
Wed Sept 07 2011, 11:43PM
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Your suggestion of adding capacitance or inductance to a tuned primary will just detune the primary...
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Ash Small
Wed Sept 07 2011, 11:56PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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ScotchTapeLord wrote ...

Your suggestion of adding capacitance or inductance to a tuned primary will just detune the primary...

As I understand it, the primary of an SSTC isn't resonant (no capacitor).

Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
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UbuntuNinja
Thu Sept 08 2011, 03:03AM
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Because the primary coil of an SSTC is not resonant, the primary current is limited by the impedance of the primary coil at the secondary's fres. The reason a DRSSTC needs active current limiting (an OCD) is because the primary coil of a DRSSTC is resonant so the current in the tank circuit "rings up" every time the bridge switches.
Hope this answers your question,
UbuntuNinja
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ScotchTapeLord
Thu Sept 08 2011, 02:24PM
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Standard SSTCs don't have resonant primaries. If they did, then they would be dual resonant!

You can raise the power by reducing primary inductance or raising the voltage across it.
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MRacerxdl
Thu Sept 08 2011, 05:23PM
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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Yes I obviously know that, that is why the title was "SSTC with DRSSTC Limited Primary"

I can reduce the inductance to reduce the reactance, but if I decrease the primary inductance that means reducing the number of turns and that changes the coupling too. If I reduce too much Most of the energy wont go to the secondary, so I have an limit.

My idea is doing something like putting a series resistor in the primary, but resistors will dissipate energy as heat, and that can be a problem with a few tens of amps flowing, so I asked about inductors or capacitors.

As ScotchTapeLord said, it will detune the primary tuning, I thinking if there is any way to limit the current like a resistor would do.

Thanks :D
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Dr. Dark Current
Thu Sept 08 2011, 05:41PM
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You can wind the primary just a very few turns of copper strip, this way you can keep your high coupling.
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kiat
Thu Sept 08 2011, 11:53PM
kiat Registered Member #2115 Joined: Fri May 08 2009, 01:17PM
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Adding a L or C coponent in series with the primary L (and 'resonating' C)will just create a bigger lumped L or lumped C, detuning the SSTC. I think if you want a DRSSTC to look more like an SSTC you should use a big L and small C like a QCW to keep on times long rather than the usual 100-200us of on time for DRSSTCs
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Dr. ISOTOP
Fri Sept 09 2011, 12:08AM
Dr. ISOTOP Registered Member #2919 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 06:30PM
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You can build an ISSTC with a high surge impedance primary; the ON-time will naturally limit the current.
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MRacerxdl
Fri Sept 09 2011, 03:16AM
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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Hmm, good point, I never thinked about making a big primary with low capacitor.

Is there any formula or law that describes the rise time of the current on the LC circuit?

Also, what is the big difference about SSTC and ISSTC? Isnt ISSTC a Interrupted SSTC?

Thanks!
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