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Microwatt
Sun Sept 04 2011, 07:34PM Print
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I have a project where I need 1-3mhz at 10kv volts only a few ma is needed. anybody got any ideas on how to make?
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Proud Mary
Sun Sept 04 2011, 08:04PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Microwatt wrote ...

I have a project where I need 1-3mhz at 10kv volts only a few ma is needed. anybody got any ideas on how to make?

The interval 300kHz - 3Mhz is known as Medium Frequency (MF), and not 'very high frequency' (VHF) which designates 30MHz - 300MHz.

A very simple MF transmitter circuit will meet your needs:

Variable Frequency Oscillator (VFO)
Buffer Amplifier
Power Amplifier
Pi-network output matching circuit

The high voltage can be produced from the output by means of an RF transformer.

You can make it as simple or as a complex as you like - a bare bones VFO with a variable capacitor and a front panel dial, or full digital frequency synthesis with an LCD read out and auto PA tune and match.


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Microwatt
Sun Sept 04 2011, 08:41PM
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what do you think about using a colpitts oscillator + telsa coil primary: secondary? I am looking for low tech solutions.
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Proud Mary
Sun Sept 04 2011, 09:59PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Microwatt wrote ...

what do you think about using a colpitts oscillator + telsa coil primary: secondary? I am looking for low tech solutions.

Here's an original RCA design for a single valve power oscillator transmitter using the famous 813.

You can't get much simpler than this:

Link2

PS: Choose the crystal carefully or this circuit will disintegrate it.

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Dr. ISOTOP
Sun Sept 04 2011, 11:19PM
Dr. ISOTOP Registered Member #2919 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 06:30PM
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1 MHz is within the range of standard switchmode fets, especially at such low powers.
In fact, 3 MHz is probably still fine, though obtaining your gate drive signal will be tricky.
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Proud Mary
Mon Sept 05 2011, 11:00AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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bwang wrote ...

1 MHz is within the range of standard switchmode fets, especially at such low powers.
In fact, 3 MHz is probably still fine, though obtaining your gate drive signal will be tricky.

A much better idea than my single active device power oscillator suggestion.
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Xray
Mon Sept 05 2011, 05:46PM
Xray Registered Member #3429 Joined: Sun Nov 21 2010, 02:04AM
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Microwatt wrote ...

I have a project where I need 1-3mhz at 10kv volts only a few ma is needed. anybody got any ideas on how to make?

What is your project? It would help us to know what you desire to do with the 10KV power.
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Tetris
Mon Sept 05 2011, 07:32PM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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I am not sure if this is possible but modify a plasma globe to get that?
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Xray
Mon Sept 05 2011, 08:22PM
Xray Registered Member #3429 Joined: Sun Nov 21 2010, 02:04AM
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HighVoltageChick wrote ...

I am not sure if this is possible but modify a plasma globe to get that?

A Jacob's Ladder that runs off of a NST produces a much hotter and longer arc than you would be able to get from a "modified plasma globe". If you want a "real" Jacob's Ladder, then I would suggest buying an NST. If you want a small (wimpy) Jacob's Ladder, then you can make one with a couple of 2N3055 power transistors and a modified flyback transformer. There are schematic diagrams for that circuit on 4hv and also all over the web (it's very simple and popular).

I truly believe that you would be wasting your time attempting to modify a plasma globe to work as a Jacob's Ladder. If you can afford it, buy the right parts and build something that you will be proud to show off! If you cannot afford new parts (and many people can't) you should be able to find used parts from guys here on 4hv or from Grenadier's "Junk Box" here: Link2

Good Luck!
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Ben Solon
Mon Sept 05 2011, 09:48PM
Ben Solon Registered Member #3900 Joined: Thu May 19 2011, 08:28PM
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If you want a "real" Jacob's Ladder, then I would suggest buying an NST.

who says he wants a "real Jacobs" ladder? or even a Jacobs ladder at all? all he said is that he needed a 1-3Mhz 10kV supply for his experiments. a Jacobs ladder isn't really an experiment, its just a display of your arc. you are right, a 60hz mains driven iron core transformer gives a nice hot arc, but that isn't necessarily what he wants.

and Microwatt, for us to help you any further than we have, it would help to know what you are trying to do.
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