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Conundrum
Thu Sept 01 2011, 07:30PM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hi all.

Here is an interesting question to ponder.

Under what circumstances would society tolerate mandatory surveillance 24/7 as a punishment or other punitive measure for suspected criminals, i.e. upon receipt of a Notice of Intended Prosecution you have to agree to carry a locator beacon?

Discuss.

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Sulaiman
Thu Sept 01 2011, 07:38PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
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If you carry a cellphone, wi-fi device etc.
then you're already tagged.
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Mads Barnkob
Thu Sept 01 2011, 07:41PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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In Denmark you can often choose between going to jail or wear a tracking device that is used to supervice if you are not leaving home in certain parts of the day.

This is usually for minor offenses, the idea was to lighten the expenses spend on jails. At times it is though seen that some people prefer prison rather than being a prisoner in your own home...
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Conundrum
Thu Sept 01 2011, 09:42PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Confiscate their Sky/Xbox360/etc as well, problem solved.

Also see Link2
-A
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Patrick
Thu Sept 01 2011, 11:17PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Humanity will usually give up its claim to human rights pretty quickly (and often happily) given a real or phony threat.
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Carbon_Rod
Fri Sept 02 2011, 04:55AM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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When offered a false dilemma like this thread... people will often make the wrong decision no matter what they choose.

Suspects should be treated as innocent, and not an inconvenience in adjudication like some TV show about imaginary characters.

Facts:
* Most (50%-70%) criminals confess when investigated and will never go to trial
* Only 1 out of 5 property crimes is ever solved

It concerns me that people don't know the difference between adjudication (courts) and corrections (jails).

Even if a person is guilty they should still be treated with some dignity.

"When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite" ( Winston Churchill.)

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Conundrum
Fri Sept 02 2011, 08:50AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Link2

-A
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Proud Mary
Fri Sept 02 2011, 09:34AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Carbon_Rod wrote ...

Suspects should be treated as innocent

Absolutely right.
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Conundrum
Fri Sept 02 2011, 10:01AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
Posts: 4062

Also, Link2 Interesting concept.

Link2

Does David Cameron also have the power to order "terminations" of known AQ terrorists?


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