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using a fridge compressor vacuum pump to make a vacuum tube?

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alf
Wed Aug 31 2011, 12:10PM Print
alf Registered Member #3925 Joined: Fri Jun 03 2011, 10:50AM
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hey,

i am gonna use a compressor from a fridge, as a vacuum pump, ive not tried it,
but it seems Link2 it can pull a vacuum of 27 in. Hg.
would that be good enough to make a (crappy) crt or vacuum tube?

thanks. Alf.
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cedric
Wed Aug 31 2011, 12:50PM
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Two of those pump in series are some time enough for some type of gas laser (cvl /Carbone dioxide ),it might work for a demonstration CRT,but for a vacuum tube I doubt..
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Proud Mary
Wed Aug 31 2011, 01:33PM
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There are illustrated instructions for converting a fridge pump into a vacuum pump in Stong CL The Scientific American Book of Projects for the Amateur Scientist New York 1960.

The fridge pump is intended to be used together with a mercury diffusion pump, whose construction is also described in a practical way for the home constructor.

The two pumps pulling in series are used to evacuate a linear accelerator powered by a Van der Graaf Machine, also described with drawings.



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Forty
Wed Aug 31 2011, 08:30PM
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i might try the same but with a dehumidifier pump.
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Proud Mary
Thu Sept 01 2011, 12:25AM
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If you Google glow discharge and Grimm glow discharge you will find many fascinating experiments that can be performed at the pressures attainable by your fridge pump, mostly needing only a few hundred to a few thousand volts to get into the business.



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cedric
Thu Sept 01 2011, 11:02AM
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I have to apologies for my previous post, I have seen some one making a triode at atmospheric pressure with in a candle flame, I assume the flame is needed to assure enough atom of the gas are ionized to guaranty some electric conduction and those pump can reach a vacuum where gas is easy to ionize ,so it might be that demonstrating a triode is possible even with fairly low vacuum....

here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aAwyUoawkc
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Proud Mary
Thu Sept 01 2011, 11:34AM
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Don't forget there are gas triodes - but they perform rather differently to the high vacuum type. The thyratron is one example.

Your fridge pump will also easily reach the pressure needed to make your own Geiger-Müller (GM) tubes.
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Adam Munich
Thu Sept 01 2011, 05:04PM
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I'm pretty sure that a compressor from an AC unit + a mercury diffusion pump is they way to go if you don't feel like buying a 2 stage vacuum pump.
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Proud Mary
Thu Sept 01 2011, 05:16PM
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Grenadier wrote ...

I'm pretty sure that a compressor from an AC unit + a mercury diffusion pump is they way to go if you don't feel like buying a 2 stage vacuum pump.

I don't think anyone nowadays would choose a mercury diffusion pump, Adam, because of the toxicity hazard. Diff pump oils are costly, but will last a long time if you take
care of them.

The Javac A/C pump is popular with UK enthusiasts, is relatively inexpensive, and claims a lowest pressure of 25 microns. Link2

But a fridge pump is a very good place to start on modest means, and can produce a pressure low enough to observe all sorts of very interesting phenomena - more so than high vacuum in many respects.
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Ash Small
Thu Sept 01 2011, 05:23PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Grenadier wrote ...

I'm pretty sure that a compressor from an AC unit + a mercury diffusion pump is they way to go if you don't feel like buying a 2 stage vacuum pump.

An oil diff. pump around 2" in diameter is probably what you want, maybe 1" diameter.
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