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Polonium210
Sun Aug 28 2011, 02:59AM Print
Polonium210 Registered Member #3450 Joined: Sun Nov 28 2010, 05:01AM
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I am attempting to build an oscilloscope current probe to measure primary current in my coil.
So far I have this
Link2
100 turns of #30AWG magnet wire on an Electronic Goldmine ferrite core with a 1ohm burden resistor.
When I try and measure primary current all I get is a garbled up mess on my scope screen.
Has anyone got any contraction tips?
*EDIT*
Here is a scope shot. Link2
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Herr Zapp
Sun Aug 28 2011, 06:26AM
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P210 -

Just to confirm, your burden resistor is a non-inductive carbon-composition or metal-film type, in parallel with windings?

Herr Zapp

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Polonium210
Sun Aug 28 2011, 06:04PM
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Herr Zapp wrote ...

P210 -

Just to confirm, your burden resistor is a non-inductive carbon-composition or metal-film type, in parallel with windings?

Herr Zapp



It's not a wire wound resistor but a resisive element incased in ceramic. I suppose this would cause some noise.

Do I need to tune this? How do I know 1 volt = 1 or 10 amps on my scope screen?
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Herr Zapp
Mon Aug 29 2011, 03:16AM
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P210 -

Are you sure that your resistor is not wire-wound? Many of the "potted in a ceramic block" resistors that I have seen were wire wound.

Herr Zapp
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StevenCaton
Mon Aug 29 2011, 03:50AM
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I'm almost certain your resistor is NOT wirewound. I have used resistors exactly like that before on the primary side of a GDT to damp ringing. (so if they were wirewound it would have messed up my GDT waveforms horribly)

One thing you can try is to put another 1 ohm terminator at the input to your scope. This will keep RF from reflecting back through the cable and messing up your waveforms.

When current surges through the main cable in your CT it will magnetize the core. The increase in magnetic flux through the core will induce an EMF across the 100 turns and the resistor you have on the core. The current will flow in that loop in such a way as to try and magnetize the core in the opposite direction.

So the peak current in the 100 turns you put on it will roughly be 100 times less than the current through the cable you are trying to measure. If you try to measure extremely high peak currents with it then the core will saturate, but with that many turns it probably won't saturate until you have hundreds of volts across it.

Say you are measuring a signal at 1000A peak with your transformer.

Then the peak current flowing through your CT will be roughly 10A (stepped down by 100)
So if you have 10A through that loop then your burden resistor will have 10 Volts across it. (since E = IR)

All you really have to do is just apply ohms laws to find the voltage drop across the burden.
Keep in mind that if you use a terminator then your voltage at the scope will be cut by a factor of two again.

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Polonium210
Mon Aug 29 2011, 04:25AM
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Herr Zapp wrote ...

P210 -

Are you sure that your resistor is not wire-wound? Many of the "potted in a ceramic block" resistors that I have seen were wire wound.

Herr Zapp
Yes, I'm sure. I cracked one open and found a resistive element.
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Turkey9
Mon Aug 29 2011, 05:21AM
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Whats the time division on that scope shot? It looks like it may just be an error in your scope settings. What frequency do you have in your primary? Is it a SSTC or SGTC?
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Polonium210
Mon Aug 29 2011, 10:21PM
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Turkey9 wrote ...

Whats the time division on that scope shot? It looks like it may just be an error in your scope settings. What frequency do you have in your primary? Is it a SSTC or SGTC?
Time div was on mS. 11.5mS Off 2.4mS On at 71Hz. Fres of coil is around 400KHz with torroid. It's an SSTC.
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