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Burning Salt Water with Radio Waves?

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Chip Fixes
Mon Aug 22 2011, 12:55AM
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It would be cool if they could use the already existing radio waves, from radio stations, and just amplify them or something.
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Inducktion
Mon Aug 22 2011, 02:13AM
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Link2

Seems it breaks up the water, just like electrolysis, then the hydrogen burns, turning back into water, recycling itself over and over again... Also, it gets rid of the salt in the water!
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Chip Fixes
Mon Aug 22 2011, 02:20AM
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Inducktion wrote ...

Link2

Seems it breaks up the water, just like electrolysis, then the hydrogen burns, turning back into water, recycling itself over and over again... Also, it gets rid of the salt in the water!
Desalination + steam power on the cheap?
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Mattski
Mon Aug 22 2011, 05:32AM
Mattski Registered Member #1792 Joined: Fri Oct 31 2008, 08:12PM
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It sounds like a complicated way of performing electrolysis and burning the hydrogen and oxygen that come out of it.

The demo in the YouTube video of it turning a Stirling engine is cool... it demonstrates a very convoluted path from regular electricity to RF power to chemical potential energy to thermal energy to mechanical energy. It will operate at a steep energy loss due to the fundamental limits on converting thermal energy back into other kinds of energy, not to mention inefficiencies at all the other steps of the process.

ProudMary wrote ...
"Heap big bullshit. Give I fire water!"
I could go for some firewater right now wink
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Proud Mary
Mon Aug 22 2011, 09:02AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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The flame in the TV 'news' clip is not the colourless flame of hydrogen burning in oxygen, but is perforce the product of the spontaneous ignition of hydrogen and chlorine from the AC electrolysis of saline.

Addendum added later:
Andrija Puharich, who wrote extensively about his contact with alien civilisations by way of Israeli spoon bender Uri Geller, has also written about driving round the USA in a car powered by water - using again, AC electrolysis: Link2




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cduma
Mon Aug 22 2011, 02:17PM
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Has anybody tried to recreate the experiment? It shouldnt be too difficult for somebody with radio equipment to just sweep across the microwave range.
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cedric
Wed Aug 31 2011, 04:10PM
cedric Registered Member #2941 Joined: Fri Jun 25 2010, 08:08AM
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well, it might be an interesting way to get ride of corrosion on electrode during electrolysis....
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Patrick
Wed Aug 31 2011, 05:16PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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This is cool to watch, but if he tries to turn this into something practical, methinks the laws of conservation and thermodynamics will bite back--hard.
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cduma
Thu Sept 01 2011, 02:29PM
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The original inventor died from cancer a while back.
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