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Juniortore1
Sat Aug 06 2011, 11:41PM Print
Juniortore1 Registered Member #4014 Joined: Wed Jul 20 2011, 05:31PM
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I saw this on ebay Link2

It seems like a simple solution to an expensive variac. I have a few questions though. Would the output still be 50/60Hz? This would be cool to mess around with my ZVS using a power transformer as a ballast. Any ideas? Thanks
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Sun Aug 07 2011, 05:42AM
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That is basically a light dimmer, and while it will work great for resistive loads (lightbubs, heaters) I suspect that if you try to drive a transformer from it it won't last very long.
it is possible to drive transformers using a triac like that, but you need to add an additional snubber network to keep from killing the triac.

He does say it works for motors, so I suppose it is worth a try...
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Dr. ISOTOP
Sun Aug 07 2011, 07:06AM
Dr. ISOTOP Registered Member #2919 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 06:30PM
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Definitely worth a try, seeing as its only $10...I doubt its very robust, and I highly doubt it can drive an inductive load at 3.8KW (the 40A is probably the absolute limit of the thyristor it uses).
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Juniortore1
Sun Aug 07 2011, 06:27PM
Juniortore1 Registered Member #4014 Joined: Wed Jul 20 2011, 05:31PM
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Okay, when some money, I will buy one and make a review on it. I figure 20A to be more of a suitable max. If it is a triac, it cannot power a normal 60HZ transformer as I tried it with a light dimmer. Although, I did not use a capacitor in series with the transformer and triac, I should.
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Inducktion
Sun Aug 07 2011, 09:08PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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Could you use a light dimmer circuit as a DC power supply? Since the SCR cuts off certain parts of the wave, then you could vary the voltage accordingly, and then smooth it out with a capacitor giving a nice variable DC power supply.
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Arcstarter
Mon Aug 08 2011, 01:06AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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I have seen these used for inductive loads such as MOTs and they seem to work just fine. I wouldn't try to use them at their max rated current with an inductive load though, it might work but then it might not.
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Mads Barnkob
Mon Aug 08 2011, 06:45AM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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A much more stable approach to this is getting a Variable Frequency Drive and connect a 3 phased transformer instead of a motor, it will also need some capacitors to insure proper operation.

The transformer will make strange and often mechanical stress sounds, but it works like a charm for generating all the voltages you want. At a former workplace we had one that could give 3 phased 200-230-380-400-440-480-690 Volts from a 3x400 Volt input.

A VFD is built for inductive loads in difference to the dimmer circuits, a VFD is also a great build quality and have many protective circuits to insure a long life.

Gettting a used 1kW VFD should be no significant expense unless you want one right away, find the right places to look and they come cheap :)
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Adam Munich
Tue Aug 09 2011, 03:08AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Inducktion wrote ...

Could you use a light dimmer circuit as a DC power supply? Since the SCR cuts off certain parts of the wave, then you could vary the voltage accordingly, and then smooth it out with a capacitor giving a nice variable DC power supply.

Hrm... that's an idea. DC variac, unregulated but meh.

I shall try it.
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Inducktion
Tue Aug 09 2011, 04:11AM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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Oh, and of course, you would need to rectify the output, but yes.
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Mattski
Tue Aug 09 2011, 04:36AM
Mattski Registered Member #1792 Joined: Fri Oct 31 2008, 08:12PM
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I'd suggest putting a certain amount of inductance in series with that capacitor otherwise you could get a fairly large current spike when the thyristor turns on.
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