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Conundrum
Tue Jul 26 2011, 11:08AM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hi.
Seems that the USA and Israel were in fact responsible for the Stuxnet SCaDA infecting worm.
Appears that the damage done was so severe that Iran has been forced to delay its nuclear
program by over a year due to replacing thousands of centrifuges that could not be repaired.

If so then it raises a very dangerous precedent, up until now the use of viruses as a weapon has
been highly controversial but this opens the floodgates for similar attacks.

My attitude is that there is no excuse, period, for using a computer virus in this way, as it encourages
an arms race which can only end badly for all sides.

Should the use of viruses as a weapon by one nation against another be prohibited by international accord?

Discuss.
-A
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haxor5354
Tue Jul 26 2011, 04:40PM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
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can't they just develope their own operating system so that no one from outside knows how to hack it?
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Fraggle
Tue Jul 26 2011, 09:55PM
Fraggle Registered Member #1526 Joined: Mon Jun 09 2008, 12:56AM
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That is an intelligent solution but the whole affair begs the question - why is something like a centrifuge computerised and networked to the degree that permits this sort of thing? I`d like to think that such critical systems are so isolated that you`d need physical access to compromise them. This is obviously not the case and it`s worrying.
What`s next, terrorists derailing roller-coasters from the other side of the planet!?
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Thomas W
Tue Jul 26 2011, 10:05PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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i recently read a book like decepting a story simler,
the chinese waging cyberwarfare against the rest of the world using premade exploits in nuclear powerstation computers. what scares me is that it would be quite easy to exploit the computers, after all where is everything made nowadays.... china

not they they (hopefully) ever will...
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Forty
Tue Jul 26 2011, 11:31PM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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as long as it's not skynet.
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magnet18
Wed Jul 27 2011, 02:54AM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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I'd take this over a nuclear arms race any day.
Worst case scenario is that every computer on the planet fries. That would be devastating, but we could come back within a few years, and loss of life would be minimal.

Anyhow, yes, I think that widespread viruses should be prohibited, unless said nation has already broken an international law and is planning on doing something like launching a nuke or something.
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Chip Fixes
Wed Jul 27 2011, 03:15AM
Chip Fixes Registered Member #3781 Joined: Sat Mar 26 2011, 02:25AM
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magnet18 wrote ...

I'd take this over a nuclear arms race any day.
Worst case scenario is that every computer on the planet fries. That would be devastating, but we could come back within a few years, and loss of life would be minimal.

Anyhow, yes, I think that widespread viruses should be prohibited, unless said nation has already broken an international law and is planning on doing something like launching a nuke or something.
Unless they shutdown a nuclear plant or hoover dam or something
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Carbon_Rod
Wed Jul 27 2011, 04:21AM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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"My attitude is that there is no excuse, period, for using a computer virus in this way, as it encourages
an arms race which can only end badly for all sides."

Stuxnet:
Number of civilian and military casualties: ~0
Cost of deployment: <~$6 million

Cost of War in Iraq:
~$900 billion taxpayers' funds spent
~4,469 US troops (54% of US casualties were under 25 years old)


The number of nuclear armed rouge countries is still down by one for now, and it cost far less than the alternative method.

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IamSmooth
Thu Jul 28 2011, 07:49PM
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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If it means avoiding the use of nuclear arms, then any means necessary...
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