Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 80
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
All today's birthdays', congrats!
Capper (60)
cereus (73)
Mcanderson (43)


Next birthdays
11/06 dan (37)
11/06 rchydro (64)
11/06 CapRack (30)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: General Science and Electronics
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

help needed for a buck converter

1 2 3 4  last
Move Thread LAN_403
haxor5354
Sun Jul 17 2011, 07:38AM Print
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
Location: Toronto
Posts: 352
is there a minimum switching frequency required for a buck converter?
I've got a 555 PWM generator that gives me 17kHz at 50% duty cycle.
can I just connect the gate of an IRFP250N straight to the output of the 555 IC or do I need something else so that it fully turns on/of
Back to top
Sulaiman
Sun Jul 17 2011, 09:12AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 3140
There is no lower limit to the switching frequency BUT
as frequency decreases larger values of inductance and capacitance are required, higher frequency = smaller/cheaper.
Also if there is electronic feedback the time constants become longer and the psu loses it's ability to respond to rapid changes in the load.

For a simple buck-converter I'd use a p-channel device as the switch,
you could use an n-channel device as a synchronous rectifier though.
If you use an n-channel transistor you will 'loose' voltage due to the gate-source voltage required.
Back to top
haxor5354
Sun Jul 17 2011, 03:38PM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
Location: Toronto
Posts: 352
ok I followed this schematic
Buck Schematic

and the mosfet get rather hot with a 4 amp load, and yes i did use a heatsink.
so, am I not turning on the gates on properly resulting high on-resistance?
Back to top
Sulaiman
Sun Jul 17 2011, 04:27PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 3140
an IRFP250N starts to turn on with about 4V gate-source voltage,
so if the transistor is connected to the same supply as the 555
the maximum ON voltage at point 'Q' is about
Vin - 4v(irfp250) - 2v(555)
i.e. you 'loose' about 6V, so what you expect to be 12V is only 6V etc.

If you put a p-channel fet in there you would get almost full voltage swing.
Back to top
haxor5354
Sun Jul 17 2011, 09:15PM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
Location: Toronto
Posts: 352
is there a p-channel version of the IRFP250N?

I used this schematic for the PWM generator, but instead of R2 and the NPN BJT I connected the gate directly to pin 3 fo the 555 IC.
Circuit

when I used it to dim a 12v 50W halogen lamp, the mosfet stayed at room temp, even after an hour
sine it didn't heat up I must be driving the gates correctly.
but when I make it a buck converter with the schematic on my previous reply, the mosfet heats up like mad within 2-3 minutes.
whats up with that?
Back to top
Patrick
Sun Jul 17 2011, 09:36PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
haxor5354 wrote ...

but when I make it a buck converter with the schematic on my previous reply, the mosfet heats up like mad within 2-3 minutes.
whats up with that?
Do you have an oscilloscope? we need to definately include or exclude your gate drive conditions as part ofthe problem.
Back to top
haxor5354
Sun Jul 17 2011, 10:27PM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
Location: Toronto
Posts: 352
yup i got a scope

20110717180833931
very quick and dirty



20110717180711248
random inductor + 2 diodes in parallel (1 diode can only handle 3A) + 16v 1650uf cap



20110717180443454
waveform at source


20110717180556705
0.2v ripple voltage at positive side of filter cap?
Back to top
Patrick
Sun Jul 17 2011, 10:34PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
measure the voltage at the Gate and Source transistor pins. lets see whats happening.
Back to top
haxor5354
Sun Jul 17 2011, 10:47PM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
Location: Toronto
Posts: 352
10v peak to peak at gate.
6v peak to peak at source.
Back to top
Patrick
Sun Jul 17 2011, 11:53PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
haxor5354 wrote ...

10v peak to peak at gate.
6v peak to peak at source.
Is it a battery powered circuit? can you put the probe ground on the source, and then the tip on the gate?

otherwise i dont know what you mean.
Back to top
1 2 3 4  last

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.