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magnet18
Sat Jul 16 2011, 08:07PM Print
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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Alright, I'm planning on building a tesla coil soon with a 15KV 30mA NST (450 W), and using a ~900 turn 4" secondary, simple spark gap design. I'm going to use this thread as I run into questions in the future, but for right now my question is, how dangerous will it be?
I'm expecting about 3 foot sparks, and if one was to accidentally stray too close to it, and one jumped to a person, would it be deadly?
I'm asking because my dads entire premise is "if it can kill you you can't build it"
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U4R1A
Sat Jul 16 2011, 09:24PM
U4R1A Registered Member #3505 Joined: Sun Dec 12 2010, 06:03AM
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3 foot sparks might be pushing it a bit since the max in a perfect situation would be ~37". Since you are building a SGTC I would highly recommend that you don't allow any one to come close enough to be hit by a stray streamer. Any electrical shock can be fatal so there will be risk of death in building one. Just be smart and operate at a distance and you shouldn't have an issue.
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magnet18
Sat Jul 16 2011, 11:14PM
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Is there any difference safety-wise between a SGTC and a SSTC?
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U4R1A
Sun Jul 17 2011, 01:17AM
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Yes. Kinda. You can normally touch a SSTC arc without dieing, but you are still playing with HV so you can still kill yourself. No matter what you do with any type of Tesla Coil if you are stupid you will kill yourself... Eventually...
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magnet18
Sun Jul 17 2011, 01:54AM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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Sounds about right...
I think I got a go-ahead on the project, he let me buy the transformer and wire cheesey ($100 I'm never getting back frown, hopefully it pays for itself)
Out of curiosity, has anyone on here ever accidentally touched a streamer?
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U4R1A
Sun Jul 17 2011, 01:58AM
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I had a large palmetto bug(South Carolina roach) That kept coming into my garage and one day he "accidentally" touched a streamer on my 15Kv 60ma SGTC and caught on fire...
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magnet18
Sun Jul 17 2011, 02:09AM
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I electrocuted a tick today with 180V, 18ma, serves the little sucker right...
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Daniel Kramnik
Mon Jul 18 2011, 10:40PM
Daniel Kramnik Registered Member #3885 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 12:47AM
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magnet18 wrote ...

my dads entire premise is "if it can kill you you can't build it"

Forget about how dangerous the streamers can be, the transformer alone can easily kill you if you're not careful and so can the primary capacitor if it's still charged after a run.

Of course, there's absolutely no reason for you to be fiddling around with the primary circuit while it's energized, so that takes care of the danger the transformer poses, and if you put a bleed resistor across your tank capacitor and use a screwdriver to manually short the spark gap each time you need to touch something on the primary side, the capacitor also poses no immediate danger.

Alternately, you could try building a vacuum tube coil as your first project; the streamers are more or less harmless as compared to those from a spark gap coil and you could put the entire oscillator in an enclosure to prevent any contact with the primary side. I built a small 811A VTTC as my first "real" coil in 8th grade and it worked great the first time I turned it on (link).

Good luck!
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magnet18
Tue Jul 19 2011, 04:36AM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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Thanks, I'll consider a VTTC, but I think that it looks like a SGTC can make much bigger sparks for cheaper, though I might just be uneducated in the matter.
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ZakWolf
Tue Jul 19 2011, 05:27AM
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I got decent results with a flyback powered SGTC and was obviously able to touch the streamers, it tingled and then burned :) But i have since moved to other projects, such as guitar amplifiers.
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