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Patric
Sun Jul 10 2011, 10:57AM Print
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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I know that if C1 blows, the fuse on the Microwave transformer blows, so there is no harm done. But what happens if C2 or C3 make a short-circuit? What can be harmed? Can I prevent this? Next week I will test this circuit, so some help is welcome!;-)
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RogerInOhio
Sun Jul 10 2011, 12:49PM
RogerInOhio Registered Member #1034 Joined: Sat Sept 29 2007, 12:50PM
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I have had C2 short out a few times on my big coil when I was using wine bottle capacitors. The plate current goes real high but I have been able to shut the system down quickly so no harm has been done. I have never had a grid capacitor short out but I don't think it would be much of a problem.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jul 10 2011, 02:20PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Grid overpowering is possible when the grid cap blows, so put a fuse in series with the grid. And/or use an overrated capacitor, voltage-wise.
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Patric
Mon Jul 11 2011, 08:39AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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OK, thank you. I will use a grid- fuse, and be very carefully!:-)
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Arcstarter
Mon Jul 11 2011, 08:50PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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If the grids cap is shorted, the coil will be operated at 100% duty. However, you could see the sparks and power consumption change, and like Roger, you could shut it off in time. Also, a fuse on the primary *may* blow if this happened, but then again, a MOT already pulls around 500w with no load, so a properly sized fuse would probably just blow from the MOTs idle current anyway.

Also, the grid capacitor doesn't see much current at all, it is basically just a timing capacitor and will only see a few hundred volts. If this cap shorted, then that must mean it was already pretty much dead, or that it was not rated at high enough voltage (3kv is even overkill, i doubt it will ever short).

Good luck smile
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Patric
Tue Jul 12 2011, 08:23AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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Thank you very much! I will be back soon!
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Patric
Wed Jul 13 2011, 11:57AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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Will these do as C2?

http://cgi.ebay.com/10x30kV510pF-Ceramic-Capacitor-doorknob-tesla-coil-ham-/150335318339?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2300aee943]

Is the price right? (thanks for any help!)
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Patric
Wed Jul 13 2011, 06:18PM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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Urgent! (thanks)
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Daniel Kramnik
Sat Jul 23 2011, 02:05AM
Daniel Kramnik Registered Member #3885 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 12:47AM
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Even if it's urgent, try not to double post!

That type of capacitor is suitable for an 811A coil (I use two of those exact ones in parallel to give around 1nF), however, the eBay listing you linked to is for 10 capacitors. Unless you need all 10 for your projects, I would suggest buying only 2.

Good luck!
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Patric
Sat Jul 23 2011, 08:05AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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Sorry and thank you very much!
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