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How could I make a simple feedback temperature system?

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Inducktion
Tue Jul 05 2011, 02:50AM Print
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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I'm working on a backyard foundry... and being the electrical minded person I am, I thought of ways of overcomplicating it.

How would I make it so the blower, which feeds to charcoal, can be cycled to stay at a rough certain temperature?

Like, a thermocouple/temperature sensor could be placed in the heap, and then once lit, the blower could then could be PWM'ed to allow for a variety of different temperatures, rather than just "on". (it's a 120 v AC blower)

Would I be able to do this with just some op-amp magic + a PWM like a KA7500 or KA3525? Or would I need a full microcontroller? If op amps, I haven't the slightest idea where to begin, and microcontrollers are out of the question.
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Carbon_Rod
Tue Jul 05 2011, 03:07AM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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light-bulb optical pyrometer are cheap:
Link2


Ceramic jacketed thermocouples are a little more expensive.
$56 kit with built in controller:
Link2

$9 Ceramic jacket:
Link2


Get IR protection furnace safety glasses... so you don't burn out your color vision.

Cheers,
Rod
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tobias
Tue Jul 05 2011, 04:34AM
tobias Registered Member #1956 Joined: Wed Feb 04 2009, 01:22PM
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Are you using an AC motor for the blower?
http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Drives/GS1_(120_-z-_230_VAC_V-z-Hz_Control)/GS1_Drive_Units_(120_-z-_230_VAC)/GS1-10P2

This VFD has one analog input so you can use a temperature sensor from 0~10 V or 4~20 mA and control the output frequency.
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Inducktion
Tue Jul 05 2011, 05:41AM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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well, wait, I guess I could use an SCR, like how they use in dimmers, but... how would I digitize the controls for the SCR? And I don't want to spend any money on this, so buying something is sort of out of the question. I already have a thermocouple from a water heater, and a bunch of parts I can use. Including SCR's.
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Sulaiman
Tue Jul 05 2011, 12:39PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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If you use a simple system
(such as a temperature switch controlling the fan)
you will have to have a long time constant in the control system
as the temperature change would lag considerably behind the fan control.
A commercial temperature controller can be bought for around £50 ($80)
which would incorporate PID control.
Otherwise you would probably be better off with a light dimmer and a thermometer.
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Jrz126
Tue Jul 05 2011, 12:58PM
Jrz126 Registered Member #242 Joined: Thu Feb 23 2006, 11:37PM
Location: Erie PA
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Steve Conner has a "solid-state variac" design that i had borrowed in the past, I modified it for to use fiberoptics for the control.
The SCR control:
Link2
I think I used 47k for R11 but I'm not positive.
The SCRs
Link2
This has the sync signal generation
Link2

0-15V on volt_f is 0-100% SCR out.
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ConKbot of Doom
Tue Jul 05 2011, 04:32PM
ConKbot of Doom Registered Member #509 Joined: Sat Feb 10 2007, 07:02AM
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Sulaiman wrote ...

If you use a simple system
(such as a temperature switch controlling the fan)
you will have to have a long time constant in the control system
as the temperature change would lag considerably behind the fan control.
A commercial temperature controller can be bought for around £50 ($80)
which would incorporate PID control.
Otherwise you would probably be better off with a light dimmer and a thermometer.
+1 to PID
get on omega.com and go hog wild ;) You can pick up thermocouples and a PID controller with a thermocouple input.
Link2 You can filter down the PID controllers, thermocouple input, and output of your choice.
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