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Easy High voltage - 90mm- sparks from only 3Volts

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JamesH
Sat Jul 02 2011, 10:13AM Print
JamesH Registered Member #579 Joined: Mon Mar 12 2007, 09:45AM
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I have just fnished a new build I though I would share with members
It is the well documented hack of a disposable camera but then I fed the output to four Microwave oven transformers and used a SCR to fire single shots to an ignition coil

Even from a 1.5AA battery the sparks are very satisfying but at 3,0V they are , to me, remarkable
The big problem is keeping control of he High voltage around the neck of the ignition coil - I used two part epoxy putty to try and stop these flash overs but if anyone knows abetter solution I would be grateful of any suggestions.

1309601463 579 FT0 Ignition Cam1

1309601463 579 FT0 Still Of 90mm Spark
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JamesH
Sat Jul 02 2011, 10:21AM
JamesH Registered Member #579 Joined: Mon Mar 12 2007, 09:45AM
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Sorry the circuit did not load - here it is
1309602100 579 FT119012 Camiggy Circuit
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alf
Sat Jul 02 2011, 11:01AM
alf Registered Member #3925 Joined: Fri Jun 03 2011, 10:50AM
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hey,

wow that is awesome,
i must try that sometime, dyou think it would work as well with a flyback transformer?
i have tried this approach to generating big sparks many times, but never had much success, but to get a spark which is probably in excess of 100kv from 3v is very good,
as for the insulation im not sure how to do that. i would try gluing a plastic tube round that hv pin, but almost everything i build is held together with twisted wires, hot glue and sticky tape. LOL so maybe it wouldnt be the best method, but it has worked allright for me when using my flyback transformer stuff.

good luck. Alf.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Jul 02 2011, 11:29AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hello,
nice project, did you consider using an electrolytic cap instead of the four MW caps? The cap probably won't be larger than half of an AA battery.

It is also possible to make a self-triggering circuit using two resistors, capacitor and a DIAC.
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JamesH
Sat Jul 02 2011, 02:39PM
JamesH Registered Member #579 Joined: Mon Mar 12 2007, 09:45AM
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Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

Hello,
nice project, did you consider using an electrolytic cap instead of the four MW caps? The cap probably won't be larger than half of an AA battery.

It is also possible to make a self-triggering circuit using two resistors, capacitor and a DIAC.

I had the MO caps but did not have any Electrolytic caps rated at 800v plus!
The idea of a Push to make button was I was in control of the firing. A zap of this REALLY REALLY hurts ..
Also the problem of containg te sparks, even at an in put of 1.5V AA battery would have been worse if it was firing every time the caps recharged
The sparks blew through three layers of NST silicone boots and the atomic size punctures , once made were constantly flashing over

Any ,sub microscopic, gap cused an electrical path
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Jul 02 2011, 02:42PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Well, judging from the 400 volt ratings on the SCR and diode, I thought you don't charge the caps over this voltage...
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JamesH
Sat Jul 02 2011, 02:45PM
JamesH Registered Member #579 Joined: Mon Mar 12 2007, 09:45AM
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alf wrote ...

hey,

wow that is awesome,
i must try that sometime, dyou think it would work as well with a flyback transformer?
i have tried this approach to generating big sparks many times, but never had much success, but to get a spark which is probably in excess of 100kv from 3v is very good,
as for the insulation im not sure how to do that. i would try gluing a plastic tube round that hv pin, but almost everything i build is held together with twisted wires, hot glue and sticky tape. LOL so maybe it wouldnt be the best method, but it has worked allright for me when using my flyback transformer stuff.

good luck. Alf.


I don't think it would work with a flyback because itis a different principle of operation , it needs High frequency I don't think it would work on a "one shot" operation[youtube]https://4hv.org/e107_images/ generic/bbcode/link2.png[/img]
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JamesH
Sat Jul 02 2011, 03:00PM
JamesH Registered Member #579 Joined: Mon Mar 12 2007, 09:45AM
Location: Burntwood, Staffs, England
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Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

Well, judging from the 400 volt ratings on the SCR and diode, I thought you don't charge the caps over this voltage...
Sorry that was atyping error I meant 400 Volts
Thanks for looking and your comments
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Chip Fixes
Sat Jul 02 2011, 03:35PM
Chip Fixes Registered Member #3781 Joined: Sat Mar 26 2011, 02:25AM
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For your insulation problem, try finding a plastic sleeve of some sort (electrical cord insulation works best for me). Cut off however much you need, slide it over the part that's causing flash-over and then pump the inside of the sleeve with hot glue. It works really well and it's not messy if you're careful.
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Forty
Sat Jul 02 2011, 03:38PM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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if you could come up with a higher voltage switch, i'd say feed the camera output through a cw voltage multiplier and charge the caps up even higher :) but that would further worsen your insulating problems. try using some plastic sheeting to do the insulating, while using the epoxy to hold it in place. you could even use a short length of pvc pipe.
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