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Josh
Mon May 09 2011, 02:37AM Print
Josh Registered Member #938 Joined: Sat Aug 04 2007, 05:39AM
Location: Honokaa,HI,USA
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I built a small 7 stage half wave HV multiplier using 223K 22nf 600 volt capacitors, and some 1n4007 diodes. I plan on using a camera's transformer to power it, to get a few thousand volts.
As a test I fed it 19 VAC(it's a 12VAC transformer but that's what it's putting out), I get around 30VDC for the first stage.
The next stage it went up to 45 VDC. Then the voltage drops a few volts after that.
Is it that my power source is relatively speaking low voltage, and the components I'm utilizing are somewhat lossy when they are being fed low voltage?
The capacitors did come from China(they were rather cheap),
could it be a defective capacitor?

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Adam Munich
Mon May 09 2011, 03:32AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Hrm... maybe this might be of help to you. Link2

Voltage multipliers require ultrafast diodes and high frequency AC to work.
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Arcstarter
Mon May 09 2011, 03:33AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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It is because 22nf is too low capacitance for 60hz. It would output more current at a higher frequency.
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James
Mon May 09 2011, 05:05AM
James Registered Member #3610 Joined: Thu Jan 13 2011, 03:29AM
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Yeah either you need much faster diodes and much higher frequency input, or much larger capacitors. Probably at least .1uF, but 1uF would be better.
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Josh
Mon May 09 2011, 05:57AM
Josh Registered Member #938 Joined: Sat Aug 04 2007, 05:39AM
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What if I go about utilizing a camera flash transformer?
I'm not sure what frequency they are
but it has to be higher then 60 hertz.
However since from what I can understand I need ultrafast diodes And a higher input frequency.
Will my current capacitors work if I utilize the correct diodes?
What model # of diodes do you recommend?
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Dr. ISOTOP
Mon May 09 2011, 07:49AM
Dr. ISOTOP Registered Member #2919 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 06:30PM
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22 nF is a decent bit of capacitance; use SF1600's or UF4007's as your stage diodes.
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teravolt
Mon May 09 2011, 01:47PM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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the best way is to make the camera flash circuit and start from there. a higher frequency will help. 1n4007's should work at least to some extent for you to get an idia of what is going on. What is your load?
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quicksilver
Mon May 09 2011, 06:55PM
quicksilver Registered Member #1408 Joined: Fri Mar 21 2008, 03:49PM
Location: Oracle, AZ
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I found diodes to be much more important than I had thought some time back. Their proper selection is critical. Check this link:
Link2

There are some very good deals on HV diodes also. You don't have to pay exorbitant prices; especially if you hunt down some of the HV parts sources. These guys have some decent doorknob caps too. I have bought from these guys and was pretty happy with the parts and cost:
Link2

I've used strings of 1n4007's and they functioned; but when I expanded my horizons the difference in components was substantial.
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James
Mon May 09 2011, 08:24PM
James Registered Member #3610 Joined: Thu Jan 13 2011, 03:29AM
Location: Seattle, WA
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If he's using a camera flash transformer as the source, he doesn't need HV diodes, just high speed. You need the diodes to handle double the input voltage, which will be a few hundred volts max. Ordinary 1kV fast diodes ought to be just fine, UF4007 is probably suitable and can be found cheaply.
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Josh
Tue May 10 2011, 04:48AM
Josh Registered Member #938 Joined: Sat Aug 04 2007, 05:39AM
Location: Honokaa,HI,USA
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Yes I plan on utilizing a camera charging circuit,
however since I "had" to test it I used a low voltage PSU.
I when I tested it with the low voltage source I had no load other then my multimeter(I went up the multiplier so I wouldn't fry my meter if it did(It didn't, no ozone, lit neon bulbs or the like) work).
I will purchase the proper diodes and rebuild the multipleir.
Thanks for input, I really appreciate it.
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