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Patrick
Sun May 08 2011, 08:28PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
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Ash Small wrote ...

A disc of porcelain may prove to be more suitable, depending on the application.
This is what im thinking.

1304886498 2431 FT115056 Feed Through

The obround is the outside perimeter of the porcelain, 3/8" thick. The inside rectangle with round corners is the hole through the pressure vessel. There are four 10-24 all-thread studs, three 1/4-20, and they all have those Faston ring terminals. it would be attatched to the pressure vessel via PMMA epoxy.
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Ash Small
Sun May 08 2011, 08:41PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Patrick wrote ...

Ash Small wrote ...

A disc of porcelain may prove to be more suitable, depending on the application.

1304886498 2431 FT115056 Feed Through

The obround is the outside perimeter of the porcelain, 3/8" thick. The inside rectangle with round corners is the hole through the pressure vessel. There are four 10-24 all-thread studs, three 1/4-20, and they all have those Faston ring terminals. it would be attatched to the pressure vessel via PMMA epoxy.

Are you going to share the rest of the details about this project with us? smile
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Patrick
Sun May 08 2011, 08:43PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

Patrick wrote ...

Ash Small wrote ...

A disc of porcelain may prove to be more suitable, depending on the application.

1304886498 2431 FT115056 Feed Through

The obround is the outside perimeter of the porcelain, 3/8" thick. The inside rectangle with round corners is the hole through the pressure vessel. There are four 10-24 all-thread studs, three 1/4-20, and they all have those Faston ring terminals. it would be attatched to the pressure vessel via PMMA epoxy.

Are you going to share the rest of the details about this project with us? smile
Just a random idea.
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James
Sun May 08 2011, 09:06PM
James Registered Member #3610 Joined: Thu Jan 13 2011, 03:29AM
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Conundrum wrote ...

Handy for homemade fusors, etc.

Can someone PLEASE tell me where I can fund a decent vacuum pump for less than £50 which works well enough for basic demonstration of poissors etc (1000 Torr or so?)

Thanks..
-A

I got my Welch Duo-Seal pump for a dollar on ebay several years back. Of course it was another $50 to ship (HEAVY!!) and looked like it had spent a year on the bottom of the ocean. It cleaned up real nice after scrubbing inside and out, $40 worth of new seals and fresh oil and eventually got down to 2 microns.
1304888736 3610 FT115056 Pump1

1304888736 3610 FT115056 Img 3458
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Patrick
Sun May 08 2011, 09:39PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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James wrote ...

Conundrum wrote ...

Handy for homemade fusors, etc.

Can someone PLEASE tell me where I can fund a decent vacuum pump for less than £50 which works well enough for basic demonstration of poissors etc (1000 Torr or so?)

Thanks..
-A

I got my Welch Duo-Seal pump for a dollar on ebay several years back. Of course it was another $50 to ship (HEAVY!!) and looked like it had spent a year on the bottom of the ocean. It cleaned up real nice after scrubbing inside and out, $40 worth of new seals and fresh oil and eventually got down to 2 microns.
1304888736 3610 FT115056 Pump1

1304888736 3610 FT115056 Img 3458

Ive used this exact same pump at shasta college, worked real well when all the old parts were replaced.
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Xray
Mon May 09 2011, 12:01AM
Xray Registered Member #3429 Joined: Sun Nov 21 2010, 02:04AM
Location: Minnesota, USA
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James wrote ...


I got my Welch Duo-Seal pump for a dollar on ebay several years back. Of course it was another $50 to ship (HEAVY!!) and looked like it had spent a year on the bottom of the ocean. It cleaned up real nice after scrubbing inside and out, $40 worth of new seals and fresh oil and eventually got down to 2 microns.
1304888736 3610 FT115056 Pump1

1304888736 3610 FT115056 Img 3458



Looks like you did a great job cleaning it up and repainting it. I own 2 Welch Duo-Seal pumps (model 1397) that I use for my X-ray tubehead repair business. They too would suck down to 2 or 3 microns if the pumps were not connected to any other vacuum components. But when connected to my large bell jars with all the associated plumbing, I'm lucky to pull less than 20 microns (on a good day!).

Grenadier -- Excellent idea for mini vacuum feedthroughs! I'm guessing they would be good to about 2KV or so, but you might be able to use them with much higher voltage if you glob lots of silicone or non-conductive Epoxy cement around the conductors.
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magnet18
Mon May 09 2011, 12:29AM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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So how good of a vacuum can a fridge compressor make?
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Xray
Mon May 09 2011, 02:49AM
Xray Registered Member #3429 Joined: Sun Nov 21 2010, 02:04AM
Location: Minnesota, USA
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magnet18 wrote ...

So how good of a vacuum can a fridge compressor make?

A fridge compressor is not a very good vacuum pump. At best you can get some suction that might be good enough for drying insulating oil (over a LONG time period) but is otherwise not much good for anything else. The problem with a fridge compressor is they are piston pumps, and piston pumps have "head space", which severely limits their ability to pull a vacuum. Head space is the volume of air that remains within the cylinder when the piston is at top-dead-center. Most serious vacuum pumps use rotating carbon or phenolic vanes for producing a vacuum, and serious vacuum pumps used for low pressures are two-stage pumps (like the Welch Duo-Seal series of pumps).

Here Link2 is a very good techinical reference about basic vacuum technology and equipment. There are other good tutorials on the web about vacuum technology, and you just have to search for them.
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haxor5354
Mon May 09 2011, 03:11AM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
Location: Toronto
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what are you trying to make here? a light bulb? a vacuum tube? an arc lamp? a gas discharge tube?
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Adam Munich
Mon May 09 2011, 03:12AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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It's mainly proof of concept, I wanted to make a lightbulb.

Need a pump first though...
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