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Problems with a circuit prototype for voltage clamping amp with 1 gain based on AD8036 amp.

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James
Wed May 04 2011, 12:10AM
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Do you have some batteries? If you take for example 4 AA batteries in series, connect the - terminal of cell 1 to the V- pin on the op amp, the + terminal of cell 4 to the V+ terminal on the op amp, then use the point where cell 2 connects to cell 3 as ground you will have a +/- 3V supply, often referred to as a bipolar power supply.

You can fake it by using two resistors (DC or AC signal) or two capacitors (AC only) in series to create a false ground, but in the case of resistors you will be wasting power, not desirable with batteries.

You can also get ICs from Maxim and others specifically intended to generate the negative supply rail from a single positive supply.

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2Spoons
Wed May 04 2011, 12:59AM
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tarakan2 wrote ...

Actually I don't have another op amp that can protect the input from over-voltage.

whats wrong with a simple zener clamp?
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tarakan2
Wed May 04 2011, 01:24AM
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I am not using batteries in the final design.
I would get a regulator IC or a polarity inverter IC.
For now I will test with the batteries, ofcourse.

A voltage divider output voltage will fluctuate with load?
Am I correct? I will have to use a current draw of the opamp to pick the right voltage divider resistor values. Am I right?
Voltage dividers are only good for designs with negatable current draw or a constant current draw. I prefer to use a resistive divider only on a signals and other low power applications.
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James
Wed May 04 2011, 01:49AM
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Use a bipolar supply and you don't have to worry about voltage dividers. If you really need to operate it from a single ended supply there are tricks to make it work, but get it working on a standard bipolar supply first and then get fancy if you have to.
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tarakan2
Wed May 04 2011, 03:04AM
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I am not using batteries in the final design.
I would get a regulator IC or a polarity inverter IC.
For now I will test with the batteries, ofcourse.

A voltage divider output voltage will fluctuate with load?
Am I correct? I will have to use a current draw of the opamp to pick the right voltage divider resistor values. Am I right?
Voltage dividers are only good for designs with negatable current draw or a constant current draw. I prefer to use a resistive divider only on a signals and other low power applications.
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tarakan2
Wed May 04 2011, 03:05AM
tarakan2 Registered Member #3859 Joined: Sun May 01 2011, 03:47PM
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I am not using batteries in the final design.
I would get a regulator IC or a polarity inverter IC.
For now I will test with the batteries, ofcourse.

A voltage divider output voltage will fluctuate with load?
Am I correct? I will have to use a current draw of the opamp to pick the right voltage divider resistor values. Am I right?
Voltage dividers are only good for designs with negatable current draw or a constant current draw. I prefer to use a resistive divider only on a signals and other low power applications.

Here is a MAXIM IC that makes negative voltage.
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tarakan2
Wed May 04 2011, 03:33AM
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How do I know the peak current consumption of my AD8036 from the datesheet? 250ma at short circuit?
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tarakan2
Thu May 05 2011, 06:14AM
tarakan2 Registered Member #3859 Joined: Sun May 01 2011, 03:47PM
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I rebuilt the circuit with the two two AA battery holders as the sources of +3 and -3 VDC.
It doesn't work. I get approx. 1.4 volts on the output when there is no input and i get 1.8 when I input +3V. if i input -3 than amp output goes slightly below zero.

Changing feedback and input limit resistor values doesn't seem to effect anything.
Swapping an op amp for another identical one gives the same results.
What shall I do?

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By the way, I use a 100 ohm resistor for feedback, not 150. I don't have one.
I had used 200 ohm negative feedback and got the same results so I don't know what negative feedback really effects.

This circuit is an expirimental circuit built on a breadboard. After that I will print a PCB with this circuit as an amp for a microcontroller ADC.
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James
Thu May 05 2011, 05:04PM
James Registered Member #3610 Joined: Thu Jan 13 2011, 03:29AM
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1.4 Volts between the output and what? Remember that you need to be using the point between the two battery holders as ground.

Actually, looking at the schematic it looks like you have pin 5 connected to ground? I believe that should go to -3V instead.
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tarakan2
Thu May 05 2011, 10:04PM
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I measured voltage between the output and the ground that is between -3 and +3 volt supplies.
Vl pin is a low voltage setting pin.

My microcontroller will not measure the negative input on the ADC so I need to work with the range of 0 to +3 volts on the input.
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