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magnet18
Sun May 01 2011, 06:02PM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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I'll look into UV, thanks for the heads up.

I don't think combustion is practical since that would require a continuous source of fuel... which I want to avoid...
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Patrick
Tue May 03 2011, 04:11AM
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There is an equilibrium with the UV, it can cause ozone just as easily as it can break it down.
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James
Tue May 03 2011, 04:38AM
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UV breaks down ozone? I was only aware of its ability to create it. The ozonator in my hot tub is just a box with a quartz UV tube in it. When I had it apart to fix it, I noticed it would smell strongly of ozone almost immediately once the lamp fired up.
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Patrick
Tue May 03 2011, 05:45AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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James wrote ...

UV breaks down ozone? I was only aware of its ability to create it. The ozonator in my hot tub is just a box with a quartz UV tube in it. When I had it apart to fix it, I noticed it would smell strongly of ozone almost immediately once the lamp fired up.
I think there is a recombination effect with ozone from UV, in any case I was trying to be skeptical of the UV breaking down statements above. Just my thought, but the silver silica sounds more practical.

I used a similar device that you describe James which used UV to transfer patterns and then common iso-alcohol to develop them, it generated enormous ozone as an unwanted effect.
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Bored Chemist
Thu May 05 2011, 08:24PM
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Short wave UV will break oxygen molecules in two. Sometimes the recombination gives ozone.
Longer wavelength UV will destroy the ozone but the destruction isn't complete as the decomposition products may reform ozone.
Frankly, it's complicated so I used silvered silica.

Incidentally, perhaps the simplest way to decompose ozone is to heat it.
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Patrick
Thu May 05 2011, 11:23PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Bored Chemist wrote ...

Short wave UV will break oxygen molecules in two. Sometimes the recombination gives ozone.
Longer wavelength UV will destroy the ozone but the destruction isn't complete as the decomposition products may reform ozone.
Yes, Bored Chemist saves me again... this was what i was trying to say.

Bored Chemist wrote ...

Frankly, it's complicated so I used silvered silica.

Incidentally, perhaps the simplest way to decompose ozone is to heat it.
As soon as i get the time and money im going to try both.
I geuss we would need to answer teh following:
What heat or temperature is needed? how does pressure affect the rate of decomposition?
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magnet18
Fri May 06 2011, 12:59AM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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get it hot enough and it breaks down, get it too hot and it makes more ozone... now wheres that ideal temperature?
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Patrick
Fri May 06 2011, 01:23AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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magnet18 wrote ...

get it hot enough and it breaks down, get it too hot and it makes more ozone... now wheres that ideal temperature?
really? I would think that it would favor only one reaction direction.
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magnet18
Fri May 06 2011, 02:01AM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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Well, I was thinking that the plasma created the ozone from the heat, but on second thought it't the ionization that's ripping the molecules apart so never-mind.
Unless, of course, you get it hot enough to initiate fusion...
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