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Proud Mary
Sat Apr 30 2011, 01:53PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Bored Chemist wrote ...

Aargh!
Why is it that people think
1 lead is particularly dense?
2 The density is the reason why it's a good Xray shield?

An atom of lead weighs roughly twice as much as an atom of silver yet the two metals have about the same density.
That means that the lead atoms are not actually densely packed at all.
Another way to look at it is that gold has atoms that are a little lighter than lead, but it's nearly twice as dense.

The big advantage to using lead is that it has a large nuclear charge and so it scatters Xrays well. The scattering cross section varies as the square of the atomic number. That's what makes lead a good choice in spite of its low density. (It's also relatively cheap and easy to work with).

Other materials are sometimes used.
Concrete and steel because they are cheap.
Tungsten ( because it actually is dense, so a thinner layer can sometimes be used than if lead were chosen)
And, rather oddly, depleted uranium.
Uranium is very dense and has an even higher scattering potential than lead. It's a bit radioactive but the alpha radiation from lead can be stopped with a sheet of aluminium foil (or a couple of sheets of paint).

When a beam of monoenergetic photons of incident intensity Io, penetrates a substance of mass thickness x and density ρ, it emerges with intensity I given by this here exponential attenuation law:

I/Io
= exp{-(μ/ρ)x}

where mass thickness is mass per unit area, given by multiplying the thickness t by the density ρ, i.e., x = ρt.

"Overall attenuation depends on both the target’s mass density and its atomic number."*

* Boyes J, The Effect of Atomic Number and Mass Density on the Attenuation of X-rays Link2

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James
Sat Apr 30 2011, 06:09PM
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Aluminum is one of the worst metals to try shielding x-rays with, it's virtually transparent. You'd be almost as well off using plastic. Both lead and steel work reasonably well, but the steel has to be quite a bit thicker.
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magnet18
Sat Apr 30 2011, 10:45PM
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what about mercury? Nice and dense, in the sixth period like lead, and it's liquid!
Just have to be careful with it, hazardous material and whatnot.
[EDIT]
I get the feeling that Proud Mary is about to shoot this down...
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Proud Mary
Sat Apr 30 2011, 11:54PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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magnet18 wrote ...

what about mercury? Nice and dense, in the sixth period like lead, and it's liquid!
Just have to be careful with it, hazardous material and whatnot.

Hg's broad spectrum X-ray fluorescence would rule it out in many shielding situations.

Ray Spectrum

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magnet18
Sun May 01 2011, 12:41AM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
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Proud Mary wrote ...

magnet18 wrote ...

what about mercury? Nice and dense, in the sixth period like lead, and it's liquid!
Just have to be careful with it, hazardous material and whatnot.

Hg's broad spectrum X-ray fluorescence would rule it out in many shielding situations.

Ray Spectrum



durnit, oh well
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AlexRU73
Sun May 01 2011, 07:26AM
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Copper shield not good?
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Proud Mary
Sun May 01 2011, 07:35PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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AlexRU73 wrote ...

Copper shield not good?

It would not have the same problems as Hg - re-radiating its own strong characteristic spectrum - but of course you would have to use a much thicker layer than you would with Pb.

You'll see that copper's strong characteristic emissions fall below 10 keV - soft rays that are easily stopped by a few millimetres of Al. You could use so-called 'graded Z' (i.e. Atomic Number) shielding - a Cu layer to block most of the radiation, and then an Al layer to block the low energy fluorescence of the Cu.


1304277889 543 FT0 Copper Spectrum


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Bored Chemist
Mon May 02 2011, 01:21PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
Location: sheffield
Posts: 1022
Proud Mary wrote ...

Bored Chemist wrote ...

Aargh!
Why is it that people think
1 lead is particularly dense?
2 The density is the reason why it's a good Xray shield?

An atom of lead weighs roughly twice as much as an atom of silver yet the two metals have about the same density.
That means that the lead atoms are not actually densely packed at all.
Another way to look at it is that gold has atoms that are a little lighter than lead, but it's nearly twice as dense.

The big advantage to using lead is that it has a large nuclear charge and so it scatters Xrays well. The scattering cross section varies as the square of the atomic number. That's what makes lead a good choice in spite of its low density. (It's also relatively cheap and easy to work with).

Other materials are sometimes used.
Concrete and steel because they are cheap.
Tungsten ( because it actually is dense, so a thinner layer can sometimes be used than if lead were chosen)
And, rather oddly, depleted uranium.
Uranium is very dense and has an even higher scattering potential than lead. It's a bit radioactive but the alpha radiation from lead can be stopped with a sheet of aluminium foil (or a couple of sheets of paint).

When a beam of monoenergetic photons of incident intensity Io, penetrates a substance of mass thickness x and density ρ, it emerges with intensity I given by this here exponential attenuation law:

I/Io
= exp{-(μ/ρ)x}

where mass thickness is mass per unit area, given by multiplying the thickness t by the density ρ, i.e., x = ρt.

"Overall attenuation depends on both the target’s mass density and its atomic number."*

* Boyes J, The Effect of Atomic Number and Mass Density on the Attenuation of X-rays Link2



Exactly,
And, as I said, lead isn't very dense. That's why tungsten sometimes gets used; it really is dense.
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James
Mon May 02 2011, 06:06PM
James Registered Member #3610 Joined: Thu Jan 13 2011, 03:29AM
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 506
Well whatever the case, lead works well as shielding, it's relatively cheap, easy to get, and because it's soft and has a low melting point, it's easy to work with and form into the desired shapes. Yeah it's toxic, but in metallic form it's fairly safe to work with so long as you wash your hands after handling it and don't try to sand or grind it.
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magnet18
Mon May 02 2011, 10:50PM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
Location: 1307912312 3766 FT117575 Indiana State
Posts: 624
Proud Mary just posted this in another thread-

Proud Mary wrote ...

In fact, X-rays which pass through the body are much less dangerous than soft (low energy) X-rays, which are wholly absorbed, transferring all their energy into the tissues.

In diagnostic radiography, aluminium filters are employed to block these soft X-rays, which carry the greatest health risk, but contribute nothing to the image.

so it looks like aluminum is good for something after all.
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