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Linas
Mon Aug 29 2011, 05:27PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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Grenadier wrote ...

Use pvc cement to bond the plexiglass
now have to samples ready for testing, fist acrylic superglue, second special transparent glue for PMMA ( it something like chemical welding)
after test i will know what to use.
last time superglue was able to hold 100Kv in 1cm because my end of multiplier was only 1cm from smps, ( L shape corner from PMMA )
so it will work.
after winding all will be filled epoxy glue, so it should work as it should from Voltage breakdown point of view
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hboy007
Mon Aug 29 2011, 09:40PM
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Grenadier wrote ...

Use pvc cement to bond the plexiglass

perhaps a specialized 2-component acrylate adhesive is a better choice in this case. It polymerizes and produces a perfect connection with the same thermal expansion coefficient
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Adam Munich
Tue Aug 30 2011, 12:10AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Pvc cement doesn't harden. Basically it's just methyl ethyl keytone, and this dissolves the plastic a bit. The molecules get all tangled up and it becomes one piece.
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Shrad
Tue Aug 30 2011, 08:01PM
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you may solder pexiglass with trichloroethylene or chlorophorm, they are the two most commonly used compounds for such things in hobby world
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I would recommend against using PVC glue since it has a good amount of dissolved PVC in it which may affect with the solvent weld when using materials other than PVC. They sell pure MEK/TCE targeted for applications like this, it is a little harder to find then normal PVC glue but if it keeps your project from falling apart the extra few bucks is worth it! I have also heard you can get the 'PVC pipe glue' type of formulation (solvent + dissolved plastic) for acrylic as well, but I have never used it so I am not sure how well it works. The idea is that it lets you bond pieces that don't line up 100% correctly so there is a bit of a gap.

You can probably get away using acrylate, and this will definitely be the correct choice if you are using polycarbonate (since it can't be solvent welded like acrylic), but I have found that it is much weaker than a good solvent weld, and very brittle.

good luck!
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Forty
Wed Aug 31 2011, 01:10AM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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methylene chloride is another good solvent for bonding pvc, acrylic, polycarb, and plexi
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Patrick
Wed Aug 31 2011, 04:22AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Forty wrote ...

methylene chloride is another good solvent for bonding pvc, acrylic, polycarb, and plexi

Yes! Methylene chloride is the best solvent bonding agent for your purpose, tap plastics sells it. id use MC or MMA epoxy long before anything else.
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Linas
Wed Aug 31 2011, 09:39AM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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as always good ideas come too late.
After making secondary for 120KV configuration i found way in my box fit transformer that i don't need to replace current CT scanner box, or HV box, so now i will have 65KV transformer with same insulation standards as for 120KV ( so that should give me at least 4x breakdown voltage protection)
and transformer fit just with 1mm of free space, if 1mm more, ct scanner box won't be closed smile
in that configuration i have enough amount of BYV26E diodes (2 strings for 100KV 75ns and best of all avalanche rated)
so multiplier will be capable 160KV output ( capacitors limit that )
so now have two configuration for hv transformer
so back to business i guess smile

1314815815 1143 FT113887 P1000626

this is how it looks now.
after winding, it will be filled with epoxy and 4mm plexiglass covers. that should make a nice transformer :)
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