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Fabi
Wed Aug 24 2011, 07:42PM
Fabi Registered Member #3510 Joined: Mon Dec 13 2010, 08:31AM
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The transformer's-input-amplitude is 300V?
What's the transformer's-ratio then?

You'll always get a sine (or similar) out of a transformer. It doesn't matter if the input waveform is rectangular sine or whatever...
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Linas
Wed Aug 24 2011, 07:57PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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i have 150Vac or 300Vp-p
yes, i will get sin wave , but max will be same as square wave
right now thinking about 10:10000 or 5:2500
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Patrick
Thu Aug 25 2011, 01:38AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Linas wrote ...


[Update]

i made ~1kT secondary, and i should get around 10-20Kv. but instead i get just 3kv.
after more test i made secondary with one turn and notice that i have just few volts per turn. how is that posible ? since i use 8T primary with 150V amplitude driving signal ( i tested, i really have 150Vac@60Khz )



Linas, i hope you arnt using the V of primary input divided by a magic number of primary turns, you should be determining
the V per T by using the EMF formula, and knowing: The freq, Guass, Turns, on time and use a site like this: Link2, and another here: Link2

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Linas
Thu Aug 25 2011, 05:57AM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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Patrick wrote ...


Linas, i hope you arnt using the V of primary input divided by a magic number of primary turns, you should be determining
the V per T by using the EMF formula, and knowing: The freq, Guass, Turns, on time and use a site like this: Link2, and another here: Link2

so to calculate voltage i need to use V=-N×dΦ/dt ?
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Patrick
Thu Aug 25 2011, 06:09AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Linas wrote ...

so to calculate voltage i need to use V=-N×dΦ/dt ?

Id use these derivations:

1314252541 2431 FT113887 Emf
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Linas
Thu Aug 25 2011, 06:25AM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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so by using second formula i get 1400. and what does that mean ?
(i never knew theory of inductors )
oh, that is Bmax in gs so that make sense (0,14T)
so what next ?
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Patrick
Thu Aug 25 2011, 06:29AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Linas wrote ...

so by using second formula i get 1400. and what does that mean ?
(i never knew theory of inductors )

ok if 1400 guass (2800 guass total swing) is ok, then what was the Vpk, and N numbers you used?
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Linas
Thu Aug 25 2011, 06:42AM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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N primary 10
N secondary last time was 1k
Vp=150V (half bridge from 300V)
F=50Khz
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Patrick
Thu Aug 25 2011, 07:28AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Linas wrote ...

N primary 10
N secondary last time was 1k
Vp=150V (half bridge from 300V)
F=50Khz
Well assuming 1400 B is acceptable, and the 10T on the primary of 150V then you should see 150V/10T = 15V per T, but notice if you change the freq youl change the V/T.
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Linas
Thu Aug 25 2011, 10:20AM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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does any one know how to calculate transformer for two switch forward converter ?
because i have quite nice 2-3KW SMPS, and because i can't use 2x multiplier by limited space, and is almost impossible to make single 120KV transformer using full-wave rectifier, wisest thing to do is make flyback with triangle shaped secondary

1314267604 1143 FT113887 Untitled

Today i went to person who winds power transformers and he told me that the only way to make it is to use secondary like in original FBT from TV.
first i will cut from plexy carcase for each section ( 10-20 section) and glue them on 4mm plexy glass rectangular, and will add spacers 4mm in height. (glue will weld plexy glass )
so from core i will get at least 1cm plexiglass wall (4mm can hold <100KV )
and from end to end i get 120KV in 8cm distance.
and between coils i will have 1-2mm plexy wall + i have special wire which is coated lack and again with silk, and all will be covered in epoxy glue.
project just went from mission insanity to mission quite possible neutral
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