Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 61
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
All today's birthdays', congrats!
Capper (60)
cereus (73)
Mcanderson (43)


Next birthdays
11/05 Capper (60)
11/05 cereus (73)
11/05 Mcanderson (43)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: General Science and Electronics
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Has anyone actually killed an IC with static electricity before?

Move Thread LAN_403
James
Fri Apr 22 2011, 09:21PM
James Registered Member #3610 Joined: Thu Jan 13 2011, 03:29AM
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 506
You don't want the humidity low, you want it high. I've seen the humidity here dip below 20% on rare occasions during cold dry winters.

I have fried RAM chips with static on a couple of occasions. The really annoying thing about ESD is that it often doesn't completely fry the part, it just makes it flakey and you end up with random crashes and glitches that are hard to narrow down. Old TTL stuff is almost indestructible, but CMOS is far more sensitive.
Back to top
Nik
Fri Apr 22 2011, 09:25PM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 638
The only time I have ever had static mess with electronics was with a desktop computer. I was wearing earbuds and as I stood up from the plastic chair I got a wicked static shock on the insides of my ears which also locked up the computer :/ There was no damage it just had to be restarted. Other then that I have always been careful but not obsessive about protecting my chips from static.
Back to top
magnet18
Fri Apr 22 2011, 09:27PM
magnet18 Registered Member #3766 Joined: Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:39AM
Location: 1307912312 3766 FT117575 Indiana State
Posts: 624
I killed a 4017 with static once, thanks to my metal workbench. (don't worry, no HV on it)
I might have actually killed the transistor that was switching the nixie tube, causing the voltage to hit the 4017, I'm not sure, I just know that there was blue smoke everywhere.
Back to top
Patrick
Fri Apr 22 2011, 09:32PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
James wrote ...

You don't want the humidity low, you want it high. I've seen the humidity here dip below 20% on rare occasions during cold dry winters.
oops! your right. I was thinking dry air for my HV device building, you're right wet for low static. DUH for me.
Back to top
IntraWinding
Sat Apr 23 2011, 03:20AM
IntraWinding Registered Member #2261 Joined: Mon Aug 03 2009, 01:19AM
Location: London, UK
Posts: 581
I remember CMOS was easy to kill, but analogue IC's can suffer much more subtle damage: A digital instrument manufacturer I worked for had rigged up a simple constantly boiling electric kettle in the production line area because the increased humidity resulted in slightly higher performing instruments. It seemed that front end precision op-amp performance was subtly degraded by exposure to otherwise unnoticed static.
Back to top
Mads Barnkob
Sat Apr 23 2011, 06:06AM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
Location: Denmark, Odense C
Posts: 1968
I do only have one confirmed ESD kill in my little lab, it was a uC that i manually handled from circuit to programmer. After about 10 times it would no longer run or communicate. Lesson learned: always add a programmering port to you circuit.
Back to top
testtest
Sat Apr 23 2011, 03:39PM
testtest Registered Member #3271 Joined: Mon Oct 04 2010, 02:29AM
Location: Canada
Posts: 159
Yes. Laser diode. Controlled test with a carpet and no ESD wristband to demonstrate the effect for lab staff. I also had a few neat electron microscope crossections with the telltale avalanche region to show at the time.

Also have a look at the pix on this site:
Link2

I find ICs much more rugged these days but still treat laser diodes and small signal low noise FETs with special care.
Back to top
2Spoons
Sun Apr 24 2011, 05:10AM
2Spoons Registered Member #2939 Joined: Fri Jun 25 2010, 04:25AM
Location:
Posts: 615
ESD damage is real, never doubt that. The worst sort is the insidious damage that is not immediately apparent - everything appears to be working fine, then the chip turns its toes up some time later.
Had one unbeliever at a place I worked, who took quite a while to see the connection between a constant stream of failures and wandering around the office with unprotected boards. Our tech eventually refused to replace chips for him, until he started using ESD bags.
Back to top

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.