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Proud Mary
Sun May 01 2011, 07:45PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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hv-friekie wrote ...

yep, exactly.

My, oh my, never a day goes by when we don't learn something new here!

I'd always thought that voltage regulation was needed to hold the anode voltage midway along the GM plateau, so that small changes in voltage would not result in a significant change of sensitivity.
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hv-friekie
Mon May 02 2011, 03:08PM
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I guess i am understanding something wrong, your post sounds ironic, or wasn't it?

You need the voltage regulation because without it the boostconverter would output a theoretical unlimited high voltage which would cause the tube to spark over or even damage it.
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Proud Mary
Mon May 02 2011, 06:42PM
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hv-friekie wrote ...

I guess i am understanding something wrong, your post sounds ironic, or wasn't it?

You need the voltage regulation because without it the boostconverter would output a theoretical unlimited high voltage which would cause the tube to spark over or even damage it.

You must do what you think is best.
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Adam Munich
Mon May 02 2011, 11:46PM
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I wrote this yesterday, maybe it could be of help to you. Link2
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hv-friekie
Wed May 04 2011, 07:55AM
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@Proud Mary: Your statements help nobody. Also, i still don't understand if you mean that in an ironic way. It just sounds if i said ''i am going to build a neclear power plant'' and you will say ''You must do what you think is best''.

@Grenadier: Thank you for the link, it's great.
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Bjørn
Wed May 04 2011, 11:49AM
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This part is ironic:
My, oh my, never a day goes by when we don't learn something new here!

This part explains why you need voltage regulation:
I'd always thought that voltage regulation was needed to hold the anode voltage midway along the GM plateau, so that small changes in voltage would not result in a significant change of sensitivity.
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tarakan2
Thu May 05 2011, 01:06AM
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What sensitivity is there to a Geiger counter?
I am confused.

A Geiger-Muller tube receives a radioactive ionization particle and sparks over or it doesn't receive an ionization particle and it doesn't spark over.
That is why it is a counter.
Tertium nоn datur.

Is there a sensitivity of the Geiger-Muller tube?
Some are made for alpha, betta and gamma, while others are made just for gamma. Right?
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Conundrum
Thu May 05 2011, 07:45AM
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Yes there is a sensitivity, not every particle generates an ionization resulting in a cascade.

Also sometimes particles interact in a way which "fizzles out" and you can see an event on say a radio but the tube doesen't count anything.

-A
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Proud Mary
Thu May 05 2011, 08:31AM
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1304583864 543 FT0 Gm Curve


In the example above, it would be good practice to use a regulator to hold the anode voltage to 1200 V, in the middle of the GM plateau.

In this position, quite large voltage excursions can be tolerated without significantly altering the number of ion pairs produced.

In an ideal GM tube, the GM plateau would be completely level, but in practice there is always a slight inclination, known as the slope, which changes (usually slowly) over the life of the tube.

Slope is an important datasheet parameter, and is the percentage change of count rate for each 100 V change of anode voltage on the GM plateau.

Tubes with a slope greater than about 10% should be put in the dustbin.
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