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Help with getting bigger arcs, not as big as they should be?

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mystique
Thu Apr 07 2011, 08:37PM Print
mystique Registered Member #3816 Joined: Wed Apr 06 2011, 11:49PM
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Here is a diagram of my coil, I'm only getting arcs of about 9.5" and I think I did everything right but that seems kind of short?Tesla
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mystique
Thu Apr 07 2011, 08:50PM
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here is a picture of it45
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Herr Zapp
Fri Apr 08 2011, 12:54AM
Herr Zapp Registered Member #480 Joined: Thu Jul 06 2006, 07:08PM
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mystique -

How about some specific details on the spark gap and tank capacitor, along with some clear photos?

Nevertheless, 9.5" streamers out of a 10/23 OBIT is pretty good. What level of performance were you expecting?

Herr Zapp
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mystique
Fri Apr 08 2011, 01:47PM
mystique Registered Member #3816 Joined: Wed Apr 06 2011, 11:49PM
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the spark gap is fixed .25" pure W rods that are about 3/4" apart inside of a glass tube with rubber stoppers to cut down on sound, the caps are four 20kV, .01uF ceramic encased teflon caps that are wired in series parrallel to get .012uF @40kV. I read that a 10/23 xfmr could do 24" streamers.
1302270457 3816 FT112693 Gap

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haikara
Sat Apr 09 2011, 06:16PM
haikara Registered Member #3599 Joined: Mon Jan 10 2011, 05:50PM
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i think u need to quench your spark gap properly? hot ions are trapped inside that glass tube, i guess?, will prematurely spark at lower voltage not reaching its full spark voltage.
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Doubl3 Helix
Sat Apr 09 2011, 07:36PM
Doubl3 Helix Registered Member #1548 Joined: Mon Jun 16 2008, 09:22PM
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Building on what haikara said, it could be due to the spark gap not quenching properly inside that small enclosure with no air flow. Maybe try opening it up and blowing air over it with a fan and see if that leads you anywhere. Not really any clue if this is the problem with your coil, but trying to get good quenching is always a good thing to do.

If you want to read up on operation of tesla coils and kind of why you would want good quenching Richie Burnett has a good page on it.
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and particularly
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Arcstarter
Sat Apr 09 2011, 07:48PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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I would make a better spark gap. A segmented spark gap ( Link2 ) with a strong blower would work wonders for improving efficiency i bet. An enclosed spark gap cannot dissipate heat and ionized gases hardly at all!

Another thing is a thicker primary, and all other wires after the tank cap. The current on the primary will be pulses of hundreds of amps oscillating at the resonant frequency of the primary/cap. Because of the high currents, even small resistances limit current and dissipate heat. The higher the current across the primary, the longer the sparks.

Then, just alot of tuning as usual. Do those three things and i'd bet anything you would get over a foot spark length. Also, if you can afford it, you should get some better capacitors. Teflon is less than ideal, and due to experiences i have had with Tesla coils, i will never use any capacitor other than polypropylene dielectric. I know that Teflon is more vulnerable to corona than PPE, but im not sure about it's other characteristics. Here is a PDF that compares characteristics of different capacitor dielectrics in TC use. Link2
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Apr 09 2011, 08:00PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I'll just add that you have the capacitor and spark gap reversed. This way the transformer can see the rf voltage from the tank circuit.
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mystique
Tue Apr 12 2011, 04:11PM
mystique Registered Member #3816 Joined: Wed Apr 06 2011, 11:49PM
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i thought that only a nst had to be wired up with the gap and cap swapped from the way I have it?
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