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Hadron Collider II planned for London Underground's Circle Line

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Proud Mary
Thu Mar 31 2011, 11:23PM Print
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Hadron Collider II planned for Circle Line

By Steve Connor
The Independent
1 April 2011


London Underground is in talks with the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (Cern) about the possibility of using the 23km tunnel of the Circle Line to house a new type of particle accelerator similar to the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva.

Particle physicists believe the existing tunnel can be adapted to take a small-scale "atom smasher" alongside the passenger line at a fraction of the cost of building a new tunnel elsewhere in Europe. They are understood to have approached London Underground with a view to announcing a feasibility study later this year.

Specialist engineers commissioned by Cern have already produced a preliminary report, seen by The Independent, which proposes installing supercooled magnets and collision detectors at strategic positions on the Circle Line. The main collision experiment will be sited at the newly refurbished Westminster Station, directly below Portcullis House, the offices of more than 200 MPs.

Although there are still considerable technical problems to overcome, such as a geo-magnetic "kink" in the circuitry at Edgware Road station, Cern is quietly confident that it will be able to convince London Underground of the merits of the scheme, which should result in the first air-conditioned underground line as a spin-off of installing supercooled magnets below ground.

The idea was initially mooted in the mid-1980s as an alternative site to the 27km tunnel below Geneva but the idea was dropped. Now, with improvements in technology and miniaturisation of the equipment, Cern believes it can build a successor to the Large Hadron Collider within the Circle line by 2020.

It would mean that two beams of protons would be travelling in clockwise and counterclockwise directions at 99.999999 per cent of the speed of light, within feet of Circle line passengers stuck in perpetual immobility.

However, health and safety advisers to London Underground are understood to be concerned about the proposal, and have raised the prospect of a mini black hole being created at Westminster when the two proton beams collide to recreate the conditions of the Big Bang.

A spokesman for London Underground said the proposal is not as foolish as it first seems: "It has merits."
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Ash Small
Fri Apr 01 2011, 02:55AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Nice one, PM and Steve. cheesey

I assume they will use specially adapted trains to pump the air out (like a peristaltic pump?)
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testtest
Fri Apr 01 2011, 07:14PM
testtest Registered Member #3271 Joined: Mon Oct 04 2010, 02:29AM
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Would take care of the rats....
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Patrick
Sat Apr 02 2011, 07:01AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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do circling proton beams, cause X-rays? has the geometry, and other "Quench" factors really been thoughtout?
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Ash Small
Sat Apr 02 2011, 07:34AM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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From Wikipedia:

"In the LHC proton bunches also produce the radiation at increasing amplitude and frequency as they accelerate with respect to the vacuum field, propagating photoelectrons"

Link2

Looks like they'd save a fortune on lighting as well.
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Proud Mary
Sat Apr 02 2011, 07:56AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Patrick wrote ...

do circling proton beams, cause X-rays? has the geometry, and other "Quench" factors really been thoughtout?

It's not April Fool's Day any more, Patrick! smile
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Patrick
Sat Apr 02 2011, 07:14PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Proud Mary wrote ...

Patrick wrote ...

do circling proton beams, cause X-rays? has the geometry, and other "Quench" factors really been thoughtout?

It's not April Fool's Day any more, Patrick! smile

well, wait am i being dumb and ignorant or are there hazards with these devices?
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Turkey9
Sun Apr 03 2011, 01:39AM
Turkey9 Registered Member #1451 Joined: Wed Apr 23 2008, 03:48AM
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Very large and lethal dangers. When LHC is running at even half power, you're not allowed to get within ten feet of the hole going down.

This one got me on April 2nd, I thought these jokes had a short half-life!
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