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Chip Fixes
Tue Mar 29 2011, 02:20AM
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alright, thanks! I fogot about goodwill, I'll check there tomorrow, and yea, if you use two mosfets then it will cut down on heat a lot!
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James
Tue Mar 29 2011, 04:52PM
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Camp Badger wrote ...

ok so im waiting on another flyback because the one i have has a ferrite core that is to close to the plastic housing to wrap magnetic wire around, and I think the sound quality on your setup sounds really good! On a side note: what if you wired up two transistors instead of one? You would probably not need to ice cool it like you do in the video... I only have one in my plan because it's not supposed to heat up very much. Oh and I cannot find that 14.4 volt powersupply at the moment but would a 12volt car battery charger work? and if so should i run it at 2 amps or 10?


Look for a suitable internal winding. Most flybacks have a filament winding, it's designed as a 6.3V secondary but you can drive it as a primary and it works just as well. Most will tolerate at least 35V although you will usually get arcing between other pins on the bottom if you go too high.
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Chip Fixes
Mon Apr 04 2011, 09:46PM
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ok, I built it and used the PSU for 12 volts of power both on the primary winding and the circuit itself with a common ground. I used solid strand 18 gauge wire for the primary winding instead of magnet wire. But it does not work and my 555 timer gets rediculously hot, i checked for any short circuits and did not find any so I dont know what is happening.
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magnet18
Mon Apr 04 2011, 10:54PM
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Hmm, the timer itself should never get hot, the MOSFET is normal, but the chip shouldn't get too hot.
What is your R1 value? (between Vcc and the discharge pin (7))
If it's too low you will essentially be shorting Vcc to Gnd through the chip, which could explain the heat.
Can we see a schematic?
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Chip Fixes
Tue Apr 05 2011, 08:54PM
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R1 is 3.3k
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Inducktion
Tue Apr 05 2011, 10:13PM
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Something I never understood, is why you can't simply use a gate drive transformer for this....
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James
Tue Apr 05 2011, 11:01PM
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You can use a gate drive transformer, but why? You only need to do that when you want to drive a high side mosfet.

The 555 is not capable of adequately driving such a large mosfet, you need to use a driver. It can be a simple BJT totem pole like this Link2
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Inducktion
Tue Apr 05 2011, 11:38PM
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James wrote ...

You can use a gate drive transformer, but why? You only need to do that when you want to drive a high side mosfet.

The 555 is not capable of adequately driving such a large mosfet, you need to use a driver. It can be a simple BJT totem pole like this Link2

It would reduce cooling needs, correct?
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James
Wed Apr 06 2011, 01:00AM
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What would? Using a proper gate drive will keep the 555 from getting warm and may reduce mosfet heating due to it spending less time in the linear range where it is not fully conducting. Much of the heat in a circuit like this though is from the mosfet absorbing the spikes that result on the primary each time the mosfet turns off. A snubber will reduce this, but the snubber will heat up too.
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Chip Fixes
Wed Apr 06 2011, 09:50PM
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IT WORKS!!!! I re-built the circuit for the 555 and it works now! I think i just had my MOSFET hooked up wrong. But I do have arcing between the pins on the bottom which set the casing on fire haha, so should i put on a few more turns on the primary? If so, how many? or should i cover the exposed pins with insulation?
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