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haxor5354
Wed Mar 23 2011, 02:08AM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
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hi-five im also working with a MOT right now. just modified it yesterday to output 24V AC center tabbed.
I dont have the balls to directly short it out yet.
i'd expect atleast 10A, when short it out with a 10A breaker to the 24V side, the bridge rectricfier went up in smokes in 2 seconds and the breaker didnt pop.
If you want to draw arcs with the HV secondary, make sure you connect a ballast in series with the primary (a 100W light bulb will do)
756

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Patrick
Wed Mar 23 2011, 02:50AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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haxor5354 wrote ...

hi-five im also working with a MOT right now. just modified it yesterday to output 24V AC center tabbed.
I dont have the balls to directly short it out yet.
i'd expect atleast 10A, when short it out with a 10A breaker to the 24V side, the bridge rectricfier went up in smokes in 2 seconds and the breaker didnt pop.
If you want to draw arcs with the HV secondary, make sure you connect a ballast in series with the primary (a 100W light bulb will do)
Haxor, was that 10A breaker meant for 24Vac or 240Vac ?

from the above pics it looks like the mag-shunts are still there.
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Inducktion
Wed Mar 23 2011, 02:54AM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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haxor5354 wrote ...

hi-five im also working with a MOT right now. just modified it yesterday to output 24V AC center tabbed.
I dont have the balls to directly short it out yet.
i'd expect atleast 10A, when short it out with a 10A breaker to the 24V side, the bridge rectricfier went up in smokes in 2 seconds and the breaker didnt pop.
If you want to draw arcs with the HV secondary, make sure you connect a ballast in series with the primary (a 100W light bulb will do)
756

540


That and it didn't help probably that he doesn't have a heatsink to the rectifier. Rectifiers put out some heat under load, just saying.
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the mad scientist
Wed Mar 23 2011, 03:02AM
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what gauge wire u use to rewind the secondary
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Patrick
Wed Mar 23 2011, 03:44AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Haxor, since you have rewound the seconadry with outside ballasting... perhaps you do not need the mag-shunts? you could increase the number of turns for V, or the diameter of wire for I in the new space now freed up.
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Adam Munich
Wed Mar 23 2011, 06:13PM
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Link2

That should help.
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haxor5354
Wed Mar 23 2011, 08:11PM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
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I used 12 gauge wire to rewind the secondary.
the 2 bars gapping the primary and secondary are the mag-shunts right?
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Arcstarter
Wed Mar 23 2011, 08:15PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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Inducktion wrote ...

the mad scientist wrote ...

ty guys :) ^_^, not to be rude, idk if it even is ? lol. but my dream is to be the best theoretical physicist and advanced chemist ever, better than Einstein but recently it seems that these goal are to far fetched and my life will have no signifigance to science :'(


Yeah... If you're going to play with high voltage, and want to learn how that stuff works, start small. The very first circuit I made was a simple 555 timer flyback driver, and it worked pretty well, and I learned a TON off of such a simple circuit. I learned what a square wave does, how a capacitor works, how a flyback works, (since it was always one of those mysterious things inside tube tv's) and a lot of other things about basic electronics. A MOT, well, that's something entirely different. I'm not going to repeat what everyone else said, because its quite simply true, and it's been hammered into you enough as it is. However, you can do something useful with MOT's, asides from making high voltage. If you take out the secondary, you can wind your own and make a nifty power supply. Each turn = around 1 volt. Thicker wire = more current.

Also, I'm 17, so I sort of understand where your coming from. Less than half a year ago I knew basically nothing about electronics, asides from the fact that it hurts if its high enough. But again, I'm not going to crush your hopes and dreams. The big things that make pretty sparks are great, but they're also deadly, and its definitely not a learning experience if it kills you. Start smaller, learn, and slowly make your way up the chain. Flybacks are a great way to learn about high voltage, because for the most part, their current isn't high enough to kill you, just hurt like hell and maybe knock you back a few feet


Yup, im also 17 and knew nearly nothing about electronics about 3-4 years ago. So, i know how it goes, regarding ones age being held against them. You say you are smart, which that is definitely helpful, but it won't keep you from making stupid mistakes. I would know, i have had a bit of a scare with a dual MOT stack with resonant capacitors.

In short, the PVC pipe i used as a chicken stick, though over 3 feet long, was wet with sweat (summer in Texas, gotta love it), and it conducted enough to start a carbon track. You might as well say i connected myself directly across the MOTs. It made me puke. Apparently when electrocuted bad enough, my brain decides that it is time to get rid of some food... It felt completely different than a 120v shock, probably because i blacked out. Not sure why i didn't die, it entered through my right arm and exited through my left leg, and i have some nerve damage on my toe.

The worst part is that i did not do anything wrong other than not checking the PVC for conductivity. Any little mistake can be bad...
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haxor5354
Wed Mar 23 2011, 08:41PM
haxor5354 Registered Member #2063 Joined: Sat Apr 04 2009, 03:16PM
Location: Toronto
Posts: 352
Arcstarter wrote ...

Inducktion wrote ...

the mad scientist wrote ...

ty guys :) ^_^, not to be rude, idk if it even is ? lol. but my dream is to be the best theoretical physicist and advanced chemist ever, better than Einstein but recently it seems that these goal are to far fetched and my life will have no signifigance to science :'(


Yeah... If you're going to play with high voltage, and want to learn how that stuff works, start small. The very first circuit I made was a simple 555 timer flyback driver, and it worked pretty well, and I learned a TON off of such a simple circuit. I learned what a square wave does, how a capacitor works, how a flyback works, (since it was always one of those mysterious things inside tube tv's) and a lot of other things about basic electronics. A MOT, well, that's something entirely different. I'm not going to repeat what everyone else said, because its quite simply true, and it's been hammered into you enough as it is. However, you can do something useful with MOT's, asides from making high voltage. If you take out the secondary, you can wind your own and make a nifty power supply. Each turn = around 1 volt. Thicker wire = more current.

Also, I'm 17, so I sort of understand where your coming from. Less than half a year ago I knew basically nothing about electronics, asides from the fact that it hurts if its high enough. But again, I'm not going to crush your hopes and dreams. The big things that make pretty sparks are great, but they're also deadly, and its definitely not a learning experience if it kills you. Start smaller, learn, and slowly make your way up the chain. Flybacks are a great way to learn about high voltage, because for the most part, their current isn't high enough to kill you, just hurt like hell and maybe knock you back a few feet


Yup, im also 17 and knew nearly nothing about electronics about 3-4 years ago. So, i know how it goes, regarding ones age being held against them. You say you are smart, which that is definitely helpful, but it won't keep you from making stupid mistakes. I would know, i have had a bit of a scare with a dual MOT stack with resonant capacitors.

In short, the PVC pipe i used as a chicken stick, though over 3 feet long, was wet with sweat (summer in Texas, gotta love it), and it conducted enough to start a carbon track. You might as well say i connected myself directly across the MOTs. It made me puke. Apparently when electrocuted bad enough, my brain decides that it is time to get rid of some food... It felt completely different than a 120v shock, probably because i blacked out. Not sure why i didn't die, it entered through my right arm and exited through my left leg, and i have some nerve damage on my toe.

The worst part is that i did not do anything wrong other than not checking the PVC for conductivity. Any little mistake can be bad...

invest some money on rubber mat to stand on?
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Adam Munich
Wed Mar 23 2011, 08:42PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Or at least rubber-soled shoes man...
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