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Adam Munich
Sun Mar 20 2011, 04:49AM Print
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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I bought a reel of diodes last week. 5 thousand! Link2

They are SF4007TR diodes.
*Ultrafast
*1kV
*Glass
*1A continuous
*30A pulse
*Avalanche diodes!

Pretty much the perfect diode.

I was thinking of what I could use these for, and I got to thinking; how cool would a 2 million volt CW be?! Now obviously it's not going to be possible to draw arcs at that voltage, but with 50x 40kV stages that's 2MV, or 8 foot sparks! Though maybe only about 2 sparks a second, but that's still really cool. shades

My only problem is the capacitors. I don't trust homemade foil caps with this task, mainly because they are very "leaky". Where would I find 100 50kV caps?? I'm thinking surplus, but I have no clue where to look...

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Dr. ISOTOP
Sun Mar 20 2011, 07:37AM
Dr. ISOTOP Registered Member #2919 Joined: Fri Jun 11 2010, 06:30PM
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The voltage drop of a 50-stage CW will be tremendous.
I suppose you can use Chinese ceramics; 2 20KV 2200pF caps will run you $5 on Ebay.
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Adam Munich
Sun Mar 20 2011, 03:00PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Well I never planned on drawing any continuous currents from it, so voltage drop is irrelevant. It would have time to reach full charge and then spark, but since it's a cw it'd charge up a lot faster than a marx.
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Conundrum
Sun Mar 20 2011, 03:26PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Also you will need series resistors between stages or the surge currents will blow every diode if even one fails under load.

(learned this the hard way!!!!)

These look like the same ones I bought from CPC a while back, IIRC they are fairly robust and good to >60 khz BUT don't take surge currents gracefully.


-A
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Adam Munich
Sun Mar 20 2011, 03:34PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Oh I'm well aware of that, but one hv resistor on the end gives better results than ones on the diodes. But with 8' flashover, i think the former may not be an option!

Well, this project is just a pipe dream until I can find the caps I need...
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mikeselectricstuff
Sun Mar 20 2011, 05:57PM
mikeselectricstuff Registered Member #311 Joined: Sun Mar 12 2006, 08:28PM
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The problem with big CWs, apart from corona losses, is that the ratio of stray capacitance to the stage capacitance forms a potential divider, reducing output gain per stage. I doubt 50 stages will give any more output than 30-40.
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Linas
Sun Mar 20 2011, 07:15PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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best way to make small and powerful cw is with SMD diodes.
they are small,and easy to solder
I get for my CW 300 SUF4007 smile
for capacitors try these:
Link2
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Adam Munich
Mon Mar 21 2011, 04:21AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Those ceramic caps are neat, but way too pricey. :-/

@mike

I suppose I could always do something like 80kv/stage with 15 stages, but then there's the problem of making 80kv at high frequency...
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James
Mon Mar 21 2011, 05:53AM
James Registered Member #3610 Joined: Thu Jan 13 2011, 03:29AM
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It's just the nature of the beast that you get diminishing returns as you add additional stages. CW multipliers with more than about 10-15 stages are generally not very practical. You get to the point where the losses start to overtake the gains.
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Linas
Mon Mar 21 2011, 08:27AM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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Grenadier wrote ...

Those ceramic caps are neat, but way too pricey. :-/
you can make offer, ~30% off
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