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Adam Munich
Fri Feb 04 2011, 09:07PM Print
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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The FSFR2100 is a resonant zvs half bridge thing with built in 13A 600V .38 ohm mosfets. They also make a version that you can use your own FETs with (FAN7621). I plan on using it to drive my x-ray machine's flyback, and I'll report on whether or not it works. I think the external fet IC could be very useful as a reliable half bridge SSTC controller, and it's up to someone else to prove me right or wrong.

2100 datasheet: Link2
Typical application:

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7621 datasheet: Link2
Typical application:

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Patrick
Fri Feb 04 2011, 10:13PM
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It allows for feedback too, would that be useful for stabilizing HV, for your Xray stuff?
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Inducktion
Fri Feb 04 2011, 10:15PM
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I dunno, I'm the one who gave him the thing, But I wondered if it could be used for Induction heating purposes, keeping it locked on resonance with the feedback.
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Patrick
Fri Feb 04 2011, 10:29PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Inducktion wrote ...

I dunno, I'm the one who gave him the thing, But I wondered if it could be used for Induction heating purposes, keeping it locked on resonance with the feedback.
Ooooo!
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klugesmith
Fri Feb 04 2011, 10:31PM
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Patrick wrote ...
It allows for feedback too, would that be useful for stabilizing HV, for your Xray stuff?
Could be. But the optoisolator LED current (5 mA?) could be a significant load at x-ray voltages, with significant power in the current-limiting resistor.
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Patrick
Fri Feb 04 2011, 10:40PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Klugesmith wrote ...

Could be. But the optoisolator LED current (5 mA?) could be a significant load at x-ray voltages, with significant power in the current-limiting resistor.
Yes, I was contemplating that.

Perhaps a few dozen uA could be snaged via HV resistor then a transistor powered at LV could have base amplification to drive the LED-OPTO indirectly? Or am I totally crazy ?
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Adam Munich
Fri Feb 04 2011, 11:15PM
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So... I can't use this IC for my flyback driver. It has a maximum power dissipation of 12 watts, so because of I²R I can only put 5.5 amps through it (.38 ohms RDSon). Grr... looks like I'll have to get an external mosfet one.

Bleh. More delays...
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Wolfram
Fri Feb 04 2011, 11:45PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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I don't know if this is an ideal solution. I see this IC is made for LLC-topology operation, and to be honest I don't really know all that much about the LLC topology, but something tells me it's going to be a bit trickier to design than something based on say a hard-switched or SLR halfbridge.

I do hope that I'm wrong though, as I have a similar problem I'm trying to solve, and it would be fantastic if something as simple as this works well.
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Adam Munich
Fri Feb 04 2011, 11:54PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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By looking at the datasheet and how the pwm is controlled, it looks very easy to use. I'm going to get the external fet ones to play with, but since I don't plan on using this one I could possibly toss it into an envelope and send it to you to fiddle with.

Edit, the external fet one is out of stock on DIPs. Gahh looks like I'll have some tiny soldering to do. :-/
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James
Sat Feb 05 2011, 01:28AM
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Klugesmith wrote ...

Patrick wrote ...
It allows for feedback too, would that be useful for stabilizing HV, for your Xray stuff?
Could be. But the optoisolator LED current (5 mA?) could be a significant load at x-ray voltages, with significant power in the current-limiting resistor.


That's not a problem. The xray anode current will typically be somewhere in the range of 4-10mA for a dental unit. You don't need to pass the anode current directly through the opto though, you can use an op-amp to buffer and scale the drop across a current sensing resistor as needed.

High frequency supplies with a cockroft-walton multiplier will have a large sag under load, so regulation is almost essential unless you are really careful to ensure that the filament in the tube is always hot prior to activating the HV. It's easily possible to exceed 120kV with no load.
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