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You may laugh, but there were plans for thermionic "integrated circuits" back then. the plan was to use a single large heater and arrays of cathodes, grids and anodes hooked up inside the glass to minimise the number of external interconnects. Had semiconductors not been as easy to make then this might have become the standard.
Certainly thermionics are more than fast enough for basic tasks, so a "4 tube" notebook where one tube just handles serial program/data memory, another does serial processing, a third acts as the clock and obviously a CRT and its driver tube(s) with some of the CRT's blank space being used as a random access memory and the CRT driver being used as the system clock.
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It looks like you are correct, Bjorn.
"In 1936, mathematician Alan Turing published a definition of a theoretical "universal computing machine", a computer which held its program on tape, along with the data being worked on. Turing proved that such a machine was capable of solving any conceivable mathematical problem for which an algorithm could be written.[3] During the 1940s, Turing and others such as Konrad Zuse developed the idea of using the computer's own memory to hold both the program and data, instead of tape,[4] but it was mathematician John von Neumann who became widely credited with defining that stored-program computer architecture, on which the Manchester Mark 1 was based.
The practical construction of a von Neumann computer depended on the availability of a suitable memory device. The University of Manchester's Small-Scale Experimental Machine (SSEM), the world's first stored-program computer, had successfully demonstrated the practicality of the stored-program approach and of the Williams tube, an early form of computer memory based on a standard cathode ray tube (CRT), by running its first program in June 1948"
(From the article I linked to above)
EDIT: Although this is from the article you linked to:
"The Manchester Baby of 1948 and the EDSAC of 1949 were the world's first computers with internally stored programs. They implemented a concept frequently (but erroneously) attributed to a 1945 paper of John von Neumann and colleagues. Von Neumann's own papers give proper credit to Alan Turing, and the concept had actually been mentioned earlier by Konrad Zuse himself, in a 1936 patent application (which was rejected)."
EDIT 2: Zuse's machine stored the program on film, not in the computer. As such, it wasn't programmable in the modern sense. IE it didn't store it's own program in it's memory. I should have made this clearer in my initial post.
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Grenadier wrote ...
2010 as imagined in the 50's.
I don't know about the others, but the house of 2010 looks remarkably like Frank Lloyd Wright's "Fallingwater", built in 1937. Another case of people assuming the future would be just like the past except more so.
As for the Zuse vs. Manchester debate, let's just call it "World's first working computer not destroyed by Allied bombing."
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Daily Mail Ideal Home Exhibition 1956 House of the Future
The idea that Future Woman might not want to be responsible for a food warming trolley with infra-red griller doesn't seem to have occurred to the exhibition's curators in 1956.
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Most of the predictions actually are pretty close to the technology we have now.
However, the one thing that they always get wrong is the cars. They just never seem to get a good prediction on what the car of tomorrow will look like.
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