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Mystery Photos from TDU

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Firnagzen
Mon Aug 27 2007, 09:09AM
Firnagzen Registered Member #567 Joined: Tue Mar 06 2007, 10:55AM
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The orange spark is burning iron or something from the breakout, I guess.

Eh. The arc struck on the metal reinforcement grid under the floor?
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Tesladownunder
Mon Aug 27 2007, 11:37AM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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Smooth orange arc is indeed a sparkle from burning steel wool.
There is no metal reinforcement grid. The tiles are perhaps 2 inches thick, laid on concrete. Perhaps that is reinforced but not with a grid pattern that is 2 feet apart.

Time for a clue. This is a power arc not some feeble streamer. Where does it start?

TDU
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Spedy
Mon Aug 27 2007, 02:49PM
Spedy Registered Member #964 Joined: Wed Aug 22 2007, 12:39AM
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I see a little tine "blue" corona-ish looking arc in the backgroud near the TC. hmmm.. Why the arcs are making 7's I don;t have a clue.
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Myke
Mon Aug 27 2007, 03:07PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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They start out arcing directly to the ground but since the rod moves it gets drawn out and when it gets too far then it extinguishes and another starts.
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Tesladownunder
Mon Aug 27 2007, 06:40PM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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Correct. The arc goes directly to ground in a heavy power arc. But the spinning electrode is moving horizontally at 7 ft/sec. The ground arc is well formed it pulls an arc out from the top until it is nearly the same length again before it extinguishes and starts the process again. The power arcs are only 2-3 feet but the TC is running at 5-6 feet power.
So why is the angle of the 7 so sharp? There are three competing forces. The main one is to stay in the hot ionized channel. Second is for the magnetic field effect to enlarge the angle outwards (think rail gun forces to push the arc out). This is counteracted by the electric fields encouraging the spark to take the shortest path.
It really is quite dramatic in action zap-stretch, zap-stretch.
Here is a full rotation which takes place in 7 seconds, perhaps 12 foot radius. It gives a whole march of about 40 "sevens"

TDU
1188240014 10 FT10696 Teslagdcfortysevens02011000
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Firnagzen
Tue Aug 28 2007, 05:43AM
Firnagzen Registered Member #567 Joined: Tue Mar 06 2007, 10:55AM
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Whoo! If I didn't know that that took place over time, I'd duplicate the system and sell it as the ultimate anti-intruder system! (I mean seriously. What would your sectetary think? [i])

Any videos?
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Tesladownunder
Tue Aug 28 2007, 09:54AM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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Yep, videos and lots of photos of things like the "Eye of Sauron" and "Tesla car thief protection". About 1/2 million have seen these on the net. Check out my site if you are interested.

TDU

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Firnagzen
Wed Aug 29 2007, 05:15AM
Firnagzen Registered Member #567 Joined: Tue Mar 06 2007, 10:55AM
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No, I meant a video specifically of this. Is it up yet? (Looking now)
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Tesladownunder
Wed Aug 29 2007, 12:49PM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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Sadly, no video of this effect. There were two video crew with pro gear, one for me and the other for the Discovery Channel but they had to finish just before I did this. Sadly my home vid was left on and was flat. As my other son had to go, it was just me and my wife.
I get a bit nervous in that situation as no phone contact out there if there were problems.
I will put up a separate thread about the night.

TDU
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Tesladownunder
Thu Aug 30 2007, 02:53PM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
Location: Bunbury, Australia
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Well what about this one? Taken of 4 inch sparks from my ignition coil setup. I have a string of ceramic caps across it to brighten the sparks.
No Photoshopping of course.
What gases are involved?

Tdu
1188485590 10 FT10696 Mystery 72
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