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Marko
Sat Feb 18 2006, 10:45PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Avalanche lol cheesey

That schematic up boggles mind a bit, voltage drop across resistor is 12V butseems to be 6V from other battery??

And now I see, bulbs are 12 watt, lots of changes, too tired now for that dead
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Steve Conner
Sun Feb 19 2006, 12:04AM
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I vote for jmartis's solution. The statement that one of the bulbs would "never really light" is wrong, as far as I can see. If the resistor is very small, the volt drop across it will be small, and the bulb shunted by the resistor will not light at all, while the other one lights almost fully. Pressing the button will force the full supply voltage across the resistor, and thus across the bulb shunting it. A huge current will flow and lots of power will be wasted, but nobody said it had to be efficient.

You may be able to achieve the same thing by using two dissimilar bulbs in series, a high wattage one and a low wattage one. A light bulb has a much lower resistance when cold. So the high wattage bulb will stay out and the small one will light brightly. Then pressing a switch shunted across the low wattage bulb will extinguish it and light the big bulb. In this case there would be nothing in the box except the switch and some wires wink
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Marko
Sun Feb 19 2006, 12:13AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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The statement that one of the bulbs would "never really light" is wrong, as far as I can see.


I didnt say that, but seems that bulb B would have some voltage on it when ''off'' but that doesnt matter...
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HV Enthusiast
Sun Feb 19 2006, 12:33AM
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Just some hints:

1. Both bulbs have same resistance (ON)
2. Solution requires only 3-4 resistors
3. Using 4 resistors, there is a solution that allows both bulbs to be illuminated identical with same voltage across them when they are turned on.
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Marko
Sun Feb 19 2006, 12:43AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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I actually dont understand anything any more...
what is really wrong in jmartis's and my solution, ?
Obivously only one battery must be used, and voltage on blb has to be zero when off, right?
Jmartis seemed winner, whas wrong with his schematic?

Going to sleep now im babbling already.. dead
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Sun Feb 19 2006, 01:08AM
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by that (ON) next the the bulbs resistance are you implying that we are supposed to use the change in resistance of the light bulb as it heats up as a part of the circuit? confused
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HV Enthusiast
Sun Feb 19 2006, 02:10AM
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Firkragg wrote ...

I actually dont understand anything any more...
what is really wrong in jmartis's and my solution, ?
Obivously only one battery must be used, and voltage on blb has to be zero when off, right?
Jmartis seemed winner, whas wrong with his schematic?

Going to sleep now im babbling already.. dead

Well, Jmartis used two supplies for one. Supposed to be single source.

Also, resistances of the bulbs are constant.
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Sun Feb 19 2006, 02:34AM
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hmm, the only design that I can think of draws like 3a from the battery...
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Part Scavenger
Sun Feb 19 2006, 03:19AM
Part Scavenger Registered Member #79 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:35AM
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How's about this? cheesey

When you push the button, voltage is no longer dropped across L1 and you can adjust R2 to whatever you want to modify it's brightness. You could also add a resistor above R1 if you care about the volt drop being the same.

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Sun Feb 19 2006, 04:45AM
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isn't that the same thing as the first circuit posted, with the problem being that it draws too much current?
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