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Electrical Quizzes - QUIZ 8 POSTED

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WaveRider
Fri Feb 24 2006, 09:15PM
WaveRider Registered Member #29 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 09:00AM
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Waverider,

Please remember the rules of this thread. Only one quiz may be posted at a time, and the answer or solution has not been provided for the previous quiz yet.


Oops! Sorry...

BTW- Steve... You got it!!!

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HV Enthusiast
Sat Feb 25 2006, 02:38PM
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[quote]
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QUIZ 7 ANSWER
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Okay, time for something tougher . . .

Assume the following:
a. Vin(initial) = 0.010V
b. No offset voltage
c. operational amplifier is stable at unity gain closed loop
d. assume BJT beta is very large

QUESTION: If the input voltage is increase to 0.010V (factor of 10), how much does Vout change? (need an actual number, not an equation) You must provide the reason too or you get no credit.


1140785976 15 FT1067 Quiz07
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Here is the answer:

It will move more negative by 83mV.
The Ebers-Moll equation relates the collector current (IC) of a bipolar transistor to its emitter-base voltage (VBE):

Ic=Io*e(qv*B*E/kT)
where:
Io=collector leakage current
q=charge on electron
k=Boltzmann's constant
T=absolute temperature

Rearranging you get:
Vbe=(kT/q)*ln(Ic/Io)

At room temperature, kT/q is about 25mV. At the same time, increasing Ic tenfold changes the logarithm term by ln10 which is 2.3. So the increase in Vout is 2.3 *25mV = 83mV.

Of course as was noted, for Vin > 25mV, then the feedback gain is greater than 1 so the op-amp may be unstable. But for this example, it was assumed the op-amp was stable. (This was actually the second part of the problem, but Steve already answererd it)
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c4r0
Sat Feb 25 2006, 09:27PM
c4r0 Registered Member #151 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 02:53PM
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[POST DELETED - This is for electrical circuit quizzes only - see rules and thread title]

What is this powder?

[REMOVED DOUBLE POST BY C4R0]

wrote ...

It WAS electrical quiz. It was a pile of SMD resistors on the photo ... I know the rules and the thread title and there is nothing about circuit ...

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Sorry, it wasn't. The last 8 quizzes on this thread were electrical circuit related so you definitely had a good idea of the theme of this thread. Also, even if your post was electrical related as you said and was a bowl of SMD resistors, your question, "What is this powder?" surely didn't imply it was electrical components.

For the future, please keep quizzes to:
Electrical circuits and Electrical theory related problems

Thank you smile
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Sat Feb 25 2006, 11:06PM
... Registered Member #56 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:02AM
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Oh well, how about this one...
You have a 10v peak-peak 10hz sign wave (50% duty cycle) going through a 10ohm resistor; how much power is the resistor dissipating?
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HV Enthusiast
Sun Feb 26 2006, 12:16AM
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... wrote ...

Oh well, how about this one...
You have a 10v peak-peak 10hz sign wave (50% duty cycle) going through a 10ohm resistor; how much power is the resistor dissipating?

Assuming you mean that voltage is being "dropped" across the resistor, the resistor would be dissipating approximately 1.25 watts (rms)


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Sun Feb 26 2006, 02:06AM
... Registered Member #56 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:02AM
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Wow, that was fast...

Here is another one...

You are in an ideal world (no losses), and you have 2 plates that are 10"square, are 10" apart, with 10v across them. You move the plates 20" apart. What is the voltage now?
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Steve Conner
Sun Feb 26 2006, 11:10AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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There's not enough information to answer the question. Did you charge the plates up to 10v and disconnect them from everything? or leave them connected to a 10v source (in which case the answer would be 10v)
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Sun Feb 26 2006, 03:58PM
... Registered Member #56 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:02AM
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the plates are no longer connected to anything, they were charged up then the source removed.
Bonus points if you can give the exact voltage (not a decimal approximation)
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HV Enthusiast
Sun Feb 26 2006, 07:36PM
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... wrote ...

Here is another one...

You are in an ideal world (no losses), and you have 2 plates that are 10"square, are 10" apart, with 10v across them. You move the plates 20" apart. What is the voltage now?

Was going to let someone else take a stab at it since i quickly answered the last one, but no one has jumped.

Assuming the charge, q, is constant (no losses)

q = C*V

C=(k*Eo*Area)/d

Increase d by a factor of 2, capacitance reduces by a factor of 2. Since q remains constant, voltage must double.

So the answer is: 20 volts
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Sun Feb 26 2006, 08:40PM
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good!
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