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Adam Munich
Sun Jan 09 2011, 04:40AM Print
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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I couldn't figure out what was wrong with my plasma speaker so I used my oscilloscope and traced all the traces. It turns out that solder stopped conducting in a certain spot. I took a macro photo and I saw no hairline cracks or anything, yet it was 8 million ohms. After I remelted it it was fine.

How is this even possible?

1294547997 2893 FT0 Lol
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ubuntupokemoninc
Sun Jan 09 2011, 04:45AM
ubuntupokemoninc Banned on 1/22/2011 for repeated rule violations after multiple warnings.
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I learned a trick from Kipkay, he uses excess component leads, instead of making that huge solder trail.
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testtest
Sun Jan 09 2011, 04:48AM
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From the residue around the board and the way the traces were made I would guess you had two islands of solder separated by a very thin layer of rosin? If there was a small contact between the two initially it could have heated and the flux would have separated the two blobs while still looking unchanged at the surface. Just a guess... or were these made over a continuous conducting trace or by blobbing each round copper button? If it was a hairline crack small enough that it could not be seen it would have been interesting to read the resistance while applying a bending force to the board and see if the contact could be reestablished that way.
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Adam Munich
Sun Jan 09 2011, 04:51AM
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Blobbing. But I saw no separation at all, not even a hairline one. Plus if there were a flux film the solder wouldn't have bunched up. If you've ever shaken a a bottle of oil an water you'll see that the h2o film makes oil bubbles.

And excess leads would have not handled the current.
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ubuntupokemoninc
Sun Jan 09 2011, 04:54AM
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How much current are your pushing confused

don't you just hate it on the first light you flip the switch... and nothing angry
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Adam Munich
Sun Jan 09 2011, 05:01AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Actually only 2A. I suppose leads could have worked, but it wouldn't have looked as nice.

And it worked for at least a day cumulative time now. The problem appeared out of nowhere.
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rp181
Sun Jan 09 2011, 05:04AM
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keep in mind a flux layer can prevent contact with the probes. Now I wipe everything down with isopropyl alcohol to clean it up.

EDIT: It looks like you did it section by section, after the previous section solidified. Its best to keep everything around it molten, if your iron can handle it. Then is forms a neat bead of solder down the board.
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Adam Munich
Sun Jan 09 2011, 05:07AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Oh I know that, I dug those probes in there and still nothing. :-/

I'm also dumbfounded that my circuit only uses 2A. It was using 10A when I first made it. Maybe I had to break in the components or something...

Odd. At any rate I'm happy now because I can use my small 24v SMPS to power it!.

Crap photo: Link2
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radiotech
Sun Jan 09 2011, 04:47PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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Thats a perfboard with wires under the solder. Pick apart
the area to eight of the rightmost arrow and you may
find two distinct solder areas. Are the leads from those
parts of a different solderability?
Such problems were common when a broken trace
was soldered over to get continuity back instead of
installing a jumper wire between points.
On your board, the soldered over section is acting
as the mechanical retainer for the parts on the other
side of the board.
You cant turn a perf board into a printed circuit board.
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Adam Munich
Sun Jan 09 2011, 04:50PM
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I'd have to disagree, these parts are held on there pretty good.

Crappy pic #2:

1294591823 2893 FT105653 Dsc00202
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