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Bjørn

Thu Dec 30 2010, 04:40PM

Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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The negative signs:

When searching for something, the good stuff is always found in the archives.
The wiki failed.
The chatroom alternates between two different modes of failure.
Some members do not bother to use the alphabet anymore.
The average age of members have dropped to a level where we are in danger of entering an infinite blow up stuff loop.

The positive sign:

New people seems to join.
Almost everyone learn something new and a few people learn and improve enough to have a lasting effect on their life

Do you see any positive signs that can be added to balance out the list?

Turkey9

Thu Dec 30 2010, 04:50PM

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The age lowering should be a positive sign. It means that instead of doing harmful things kids are now getting interested in science. Just because the old elite here don't like threads about subjects that are not extremely advanced doesn't mean the forum is failing.

Ash Small

Thu Dec 30 2010, 05:18PM

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BjÃ¸rn wrote ...

.The positive sign:

New people seems to join.

Do you see any positive signs that can be added to balance out the list?

What more do you want?

(This reminds me of another forum where the 'old guard' were complaining that there were too many 'noobies' asking questions. WTF?)

Conundrum

Thu Dec 30 2010, 05:28PM

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the wiki didn't exactly fail, people added a few things then stopped.

Maybe part of the problem is that new people want to see "something" working, lack of progress on the projects board is a bad sign.

-A
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Adam Munich

Thu Dec 30 2010, 06:18PM

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BjÃ¸rn wrote ...
*The average age of members have dropped to a level where we are in danger of entering an infinite blow up stuff loop.[/list]

Turkey9 wrote ...

The age lowering should be a positive sign. It means that instead of doing harmful things kids are now getting interested in science.

Quoted For Truth. remember, kids are the future. Some are getting interested in science, but not enough IMO, I'm one of only 2 kids in my 2,500 student school interested in this stuff. That's .08%

The future of electronics looks bleak.

" lack of progress on the projects board is a bad sign."

I'm still waiting for my xray parts. :(

uzzors2k

Thu Dec 30 2010, 06:25PM

Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
Location: Norway
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I find the younger members to be a positive thing too. Sure, some are fresh off the Internet, but give them time and they'll learn how to spell and write posts without using smilies. I know I was insufferable when I first joined, as were many other users here too. Given time and some guidelines from the moderators most newbies turn out okay. They're also the ones who end up bringing 4HV forward, or at least keeping it alive. Looking at the projects section right now I can pretty much only see "new" names for the first several pages. (new being anyone I don't remember being here from when I joined)

BjÃ¸rn wrote ...

The negative signs:

When searching for something, the good stuff is always found in the archives.

I agree here. The way I see it the knowledge base among the forum users is just as good as it used to be, but there are no where near as many interesting threads to be found. Discussions and real-time experiments seem to have vanished entirely. Nobody is making new circuit designs or developing new projects, but instead simply copying what has already been done before by someone else. I don't see how this can be remedied.

the_anomaly

Thu Dec 30 2010, 07:04PM

Registered Member #19 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 03:19PM
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 168

I always felt the wiki wouldn't work because if people were willing to spend time adding information to the 'web it would be on their own personal websites. Also on the negative I feel that most people do write clear and coherently, or maybe I just haven't been a member long enough to remember 'old times'.

I also feel that a large part of people copying other designs is for a lack of knowledge around those designs. For instance, I have not seen many well documented tesla coils. I see lots of websites with designs but not much information about why the author choose a specific component over many of other choices. Of course being halfway through my junior year in college it all seems much more simple now but then there are members who choose not to study Electrical Engineering and for them it may be more difficult to understand without being dragged through academic rigor.

Sometimes I wonder if it is because our parents feel they had it difficult that we should not have to endure the challenge of life. I think when times get better we will see a resurgence in projects.

Proud Mary

Thu Dec 30 2010, 07:09PM

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Of all the faults this forum may have, poverty of imagination is the most damning of all - round and round we go on the creaking carousel of flybacks and MOTs, the same rotten little circuits cloned from one empty head to another as the wheel is re-invented yet again.

But how could it be otherwise when stress seems ever laid on the generation of high voltage power, rather than its applications, where a million and one things still wait to be discovered?

Nicko

Thu Dec 30 2010, 07:22PM

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Proud Mary wrote ...

Of all the faults this forum may have, poverty of imagination is the most damning of all - round and round we go on the creaking carousel of flybacks and MOTs, the same rotten little circuits cloned from one empty head to another as the wheel is re-invented yet again.

But how could it be otherwise when stress seems ever laid on the generation of high voltage power, rather than its applications, where a million and one things still wait to be discovered?

Well, I'm with you to some extent on this, but everyone has to start somewhere, and its oh so easy to be purist about it...

One of my favourite reads, though now slightly outdated, is John Madox's "What remains to be discovered".

At this time of year, the projects forum will be a bit quiet - the financial climate alone has meant that less time may be spent on personal projects - and for many, dare I say it, 4HV may not be the prime focus of their lives

As you are well aware, the world and its people are a rich and varied group - lets embrace them all and be glad of it !

Cheers!

Adam Munich

Thu Dec 30 2010, 07:36PM

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Maybe some of these people are working on secret projects. I am myself, though most of you won't find out until it's done (that could be a year or 2).

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