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Adam Munich
Thu Dec 23 2010, 02:11AM Print
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Anyone know where I can get some semiconductor grade germanium? I'd like to make a replica of the first transistor to compliment my homemade LED. Possibly even make a radio with it.
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Ash Small
Thu Dec 23 2010, 02:25AM
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I can't directly answer your question, but......research 'epitaxy'....it is 'second generation transistors'....I think first gen. was something like 'homeotaxy'....it involves getting some vacuum gear......(at least, I think it does.....I'm interested in this project).....Unless anyone else knows better.........
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Adam Munich
Thu Dec 23 2010, 02:29AM
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Vacuum gear? The first transistor was made with glue, plastic and foil. tongue

1sttransistor1
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Ash Small
Thu Dec 23 2010, 02:34AM
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And gold electrodes......If you want to lay alternate layers of silicon and germanium you should be reading up on epitaxy.....just my opinion....for what it's worth.....
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Adam Munich
Thu Dec 23 2010, 02:38AM
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Ahh, gold foil is cheap. I'm sue it could be pulled off using copper foil too. Besides, a point contact would look cooler.
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Ash Small
Thu Dec 23 2010, 02:41AM
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I'm interested in watching this thread.......Good luck....
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Ash Small
Thu Dec 23 2010, 02:59AM
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I've just read the thread on your home brew LED and I'm impressed......Needs tidying up though.......read up on epiyaxy......
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Adam Munich
Thu Dec 23 2010, 03:47AM
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I'll look into it. what needs tidying up on the led? It was mostly just luck because I imagine it'd be very hard to find another nicely glowing piece of SiC like that.
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Ash Small
Thu Dec 23 2010, 01:07PM
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Sorry, I thought you'd made it somehow, I really shouldn't post after I've been drinking.

Epitaxy is basically a form of Chemical Vapour Deposition that grows single crystals. I've some literature on this stuff somewhere as I was working in a place that produces commercial systems for this, espacially the new generation of High Brightness LED's used for backlit TV's, etc.

Off the top of my head, I think they are using Gallium Arsenide for these, but I'll have to check.

SiC is still used as a substrate for growing GaN crystals for LED's.

There are at least a couple of us on here planning to try vacuum deposition of various types, I think Intrawinding is planning something along these lines as well, but I assume he's planning to start with stuff like coating lenses with aluminium (that's how most people seem to start). I'm more interested in Plasma Enhanced Chemical Vapour Deposition myself.

I assume it may be possible to grow these crystals using 'wet chemistry' (electrolysis) but I've not found any direct references to this,
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Sulaiman
Thu Dec 23 2010, 01:23PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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I made a diode by melting a bit of Indium into Germanium over a (cooking) gas flame
(decades ago) and a transistor can be similarly made by doing both sides of a thin strip of germanium - just a matter of temperature/timing and materials.
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