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Proud Mary
Tue Dec 07 2010, 12:04PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Grenadier wrote ...

Then an AC FBT may be the ay to go. Hmm, no I just need to find one.

hat capacitance do you think would be good for a Cockroft Walton driven from an ac FBT? I as looking at these capacitors, but they're petty expensive. Link2

As fo the diodes, do you think this would be OK? Seems a lot better than stings of uf4007's.
Link2

This is going to get costly. :( But I'm not buying anything until I can find an AC FBT.


I've bought several lots of assorted parts from your ebay diode seller, and he's been quick and honest.
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radhoo
Tue Dec 07 2010, 02:15PM
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indeed, both ff77hh and r_francis82
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Proud Mary
Tue Dec 07 2010, 03:11PM
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radhoo wrote ...

indeed, both ff77hh and r_francis82

Yes, I've bought from the Chinese seller too, perhaps half a dozen times in the last few years
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Xray
Tue Dec 07 2010, 08:44PM
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I too bought hv, high power diodes from ff77hh a couple of years ago. At first, I was concerned about buying from a seller in China, but I was pleasantly surprised. Shipping was relatively quick, and the quality of the parts was as good as anything you can buy here in the U.S. (at more than twice the price!).
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Wolfram
Wed Dec 08 2010, 01:16AM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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If you use 20kV caps and 20kV diodes, you can run them at 15kV per stage with some safety margin. If you feel lucky you might run them at 18kV per stage, personally I wouldn't exceed 15kV.

A 6-stage multiplier made with the 2.2nF caps you linked to, running from a 50kHz 15kVpp source, would be able to deliver 70kV at 1mA, without exceeding any of the component specifications, so if 1mA is enough, those components you linked to would be just fine. More current would also be possible by increasing the frequency, but I wouldn't go above 100kHz due to diode reverse recovery losses.

A ZVS flyback driver would be ideal to drive this, they have no problems with capacitive loads. The secondary would need to deliver 15kVpp which is just above 5kV RMS.

For voltage stabilization, you could use a buck-converter feeding the ZVS flyback driver, or even a linear regulator, with the feedback voltage being taken from the tube anode via a high voltage divider.


Anders M.
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Adam Munich
Wed Dec 08 2010, 10:02PM
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Hmm, 1mA. I suppose that could work for now, and it'd be a simple task to // caps later if I need more current.

I'll worry about stabilization later, but in the meantime I need a way to supply a variable voltage to the ZVS. A linear regulator would be very lossy, so maybe a buck converter using the SG3525 (I have a spare) may work. I can't find any good info on how to use the chip though. I also don't have an L meter so that part of the PSU will be mostly trial and error.

Also, what's the smallest value cap that a ZVS will handle without blowing up?
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radhoo
Wed Dec 08 2010, 10:42PM
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Grenadier wrote ...
A linear regulator would be very lossy

Does this really bother you? On the other hand it would take you only a few minutes to set it up.
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Wolfram
Thu Dec 09 2010, 12:13AM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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Grenadier wrote ...

Hmm, 1mA. I suppose that could work for now, and it'd be a simple task to // caps later if I need more current.

I'll worry about stabilization later, but in the meantime I need a way to supply a variable voltage to the ZVS. A linear regulator would be very lossy, so maybe a buck converter using the SG3525 (I have a spare) may work. I can't find any good info on how to use the chip though. I also don't have an L meter so that part of the PSU will be mostly trial and error.

Also, what's the smallest value cap that a ZVS will handle without blowing up?

Start with a linear regulator, then upgrade to a buck regulator when everything works. Throwing many uncertain factors into the mix at the same time just leads to confusion.

If you up the input voltage to 9kV pk, so that the per-stage voltage is 18kV, and increase the frequency to 100kHz, you'll be able to get 2mA from the same components.


Anders M.
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ubuntupokemoninc
Sat Dec 11 2010, 02:48PM
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man i had the cutest little ac fbt, and i was running it on my zvs and it just decided to play dead?!
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Adam Munich
Sat Dec 11 2010, 03:21PM
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Tiny FBT + big currents = dead FBT.
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