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Steve Conner
Wed May 25 2011, 08:28AM
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radiotech wrote ...

It just might be the most of our universe is composed
of stuff that that has no electrons. It is quite easy for a hydrogen
atom to lose the only one it has.

That makes it a proton, which is also charged and so radiates when accelerated, etc.
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Ash Small
Wed May 25 2011, 10:17AM
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Pinky's Brain wrote ...

wrote ...

If all EM waves can only be created by the acceleration of charges, what then would the acceleration of the charge be, that produced a square EM wave?
Can't be done ... a square EM wave is actually just a summation of coherent light of different wavelengths, the photon can only emit one photon at a time.

I think you're misunderstanding the bit about acceleration. Now I have a purely conceptual understanding of QM, because I'm far too lazy to do all the math ... but AFAICS it's not the vibration of the electron which generates the EM, it's the quantum leap from one velocity to another which generates the photon (in essence the velocity step is stochastic and thus generates a photon of random wavelength, but the wavefronts of acceleration/deceleration set up in the antenna cause amplified stimulated emission ... antennas have a lot in common with lasers).

It's the change in velocity that causes photon emission. Particles in a cyclotron/synchrotron emit photons as they change direction, moving in a circle. (velocity is 'speed in a given direction'). The speed doesn't necessarily need to change in order for photons to be emitted.

(I'm just clarifying a point, not disagreeing with what you say)
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Proud Mary
Wed May 25 2011, 03:58PM
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1306338894 543 FT0 Bremsstrahlung
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Pinky's Brain
Tue Jun 07 2011, 01:20PM
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After seeing the arc radiation hazard thread it occurred to me that this might be true for micro discharges in vacuum as well and be caused not by impacts but by bremmstrahlung. There are some indications that discharges in a vacuum can cause can cause radiation up to x-rays even without an impact target.

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If so it might be possible to have a tube with alternating electrodes causing alternating barrier discharges form a free electron laser without an accelerator. I imagine having the bare electrode consist of a peaked surface would increase the number of high energy electrons due to field enhancement. (This idea is either too naive to be possible, or too good to be original.)
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magnet18
Tue Jun 07 2011, 07:49PM
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Pinky's Brain wrote ...
...bla bla bremsstrahlung bla bla...

Wow, that's actually a word...
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Proud Mary
Tue Jun 07 2011, 09:16PM
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I can't comment about your laser concept, as it is outside my experience, but plasma X-ray emission is all the rage this century.
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Dr. Slack
Wed Jun 08 2011, 12:14PM
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The end of the thought experiement that started this thread is wondering whether as you turn the frequency of your radio transmitter up, light starts coming off the aerial (I paraphrase).

I find the other end just as fascinating. I look at my DC, audio or microwave circuit and try to imagine it described as photons rather than continuous waves or voltages. Just as head-scrambling. Where are your square waves and sine waves then?
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magnet18
Wed Jun 08 2011, 09:45PM
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Photon computer- Link2
It's comin' boys.
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Inducktion
Wed Jun 08 2011, 09:59PM
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WOW.
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Ash Small
Wed Jun 08 2011, 11:45PM
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Dr. Slack wrote ...

The end of the thought experiement that started this thread is wondering whether as you turn the frequency of your radio transmitter up, light starts coming off the aerial (I paraphrase).

I find the other end just as fascinating. I look at my DC, audio or microwave circuit and try to imagine it described as photons rather than continuous waves or voltages. Just as head-scrambling. Where are your square waves and sine waves then?

Since i became aware of 'the search for the Higgs Boson' a few years ago I realised that 'everything' can be explained in terms of waves, except whatever it is that gives things 'mass'.

What started me on this 'train of thought' was the wave/particle duality of something with no 'rest mass', ie the photon.

(The neutrino also has no mass, unless it is interacting with 'matter', whatever 'matter' is.)

I understand waves and how they work (since I discovered Nikola Tesla), but I still have no idea why 'matter' has 'mass'.

(maybe this is slightly 'off topic', but the thread is titled 'I was thinking.....') wink
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